I was seen on the TV. I was there with the young Demonstrators.
Channel 2 News: Pollard Won't Let Rafi Eitan Sleep
Justice4JP Release - June 21, 2006
Source: Israel Channel 2 Television News
Israel's Channel 2 Television News reported tonight that supporters of Jonathan Pollard won't let Pensioner Party head Rafi Eitan sleep.
Anchorwoman, Yonit Levy, reported that for the second time this month scores of Pollard supporters gathered outside of Eitan's home at bedtime with whistles and noisemakers and shouted slogans and chants to keep Eitan, (Pollard's former handler), from sleep.
The demonstrators held posters of Pollard aloft as they shouted, "Rafi, how can you sleep when you betrayed and abandoned Pollard?" and "Rafi, if your lack of conscience lets you sleep, we won't!"
The news report referenced Jonathan Pollard's lawsuit which seeks to establish that Rafi Eitan is morally unfit to be a government minister. Pollard's petition is still before the courts.
Eitan, it was reported, responded to tonight's events saying that he did not abandon Pollard.
According to the Channel 2 report, Eitan and his neighbors on the usually quiet Tel Aviv Street summoned the police, who arrived with the GSS to disperse the crowd of demonstrators. Protestors vowed to return and continue the protests until Eitan resigns.
A film clip showed the Pollard protestors whistling, shouting and chanting:
"Rafi Eitan! Teet-pat-tair! Pollard shaveh yotair!"
[Rafi Eitan, resign! Pollard is worth more (than you!)]
Following the film clip, anchorwoman Yonit Levy concluded the report with the comment: "Lo shochachim; lo solchim." (We do not forget; we do not forgive.)
Ask me what a Blotnik is. This Blog is my Public Blog. Sometimes in Hebrew. I have found that Books and the Internet have something in common, Life is to Short to read all the books you would like to read, (not those that you do not want). Also 24 Hours a day is not Enough for all you would like to do on the Internet!
Wednesday, June 28, 2006
Friday, June 23, 2006
Just another Brick in The WALL.
Last update - 14:18 23/06/2006
Roger Waters calls on audience to 'tear down the walls'
By Ben Shalev, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
About an hour after his concert began, Roger Waters told the audience about a trip he took to the Middle East when he was 17. For some reason, he got stuck in Beirut and had to hitchhike home to England. The wonderful hospitality of a Lebanese family during that hard time "changed my life," he said.
Just before the end of the concert, Waters addressed his audience again. "I believe we need this generation of Israelis to tear down the walls and make peace with their neighbors," he said, setting off a round of cheers.
Tens of thousands of Israelis flocked to the mixed Arab-Jewish town of Neveh Shalom last night for the single performance by the British rock star - the founder of Pink Floyd, which produced the legendary album The Wall.
An estimated 50,000 gathered in a hastily prepared outdoor venue in a field near Neveh Shalom, which is located between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Hours before the performance, cars were gridlocked in all directions in one of Israel's worst traffic jams ever.
There was nothing surprising in the first part of the concert. Waters's band was super-professional, the sound was perfect. The stage and set looked like the sum invested in them could finance a small state in Africa.
Rogers sounded hoarse and his neck muscles bulged every time he sang. Those who were still stuck in traffic jams could only try to imagine what it felt like when tens of thousands sang together, "Shine on, you crazy diamond."
At 6 P.M., three hours before Waters was due on stage, Yoram Friedman was already standing right in front of the stage, surrounded by teenagers. The 50-year-old member of Kibbutz Givat Haim came with his son, a beginner guitarist. He said that he would stay as long as his strength held out, "because that is the only way to experience a rock concert."
Friedman has seen Pink Floyd four times, including on two consecutive days in London in 1982. He heard the album The Dark Side of the Moon (1973), considered by many fans to be the band's magnum opus, when he was 16 - his son's age today.
Friedman was in a minority in the huge concert compound. Most of the crowd were born after Waters, David Gilmour and the rest recorded The Dark Side. But the old-timers made their presence felt. Some wore long hair and tee shirts with the famous prism from the album jacket. Others were more conservative-looking.
Still, all had one thing in common: The music of Pink Floyd and the other great bands of the 1960s and 1970s was the backdrop and soundtrack of their lives. They came to remember, to relive their youth for a few hours.
Yossi Naor, for example, could not be missed. With his long hair, mustache and a 1960s-era floppy black hat, he looked like the fourth member of Crosby, Stills and Nash. He and his wife Mary, from Tel Aviv, are "50 plus." For them, Pink Floyd's music was "the end of an era. It was 1973, but for us it was the end of the 1960s, the end of the Beatles era."
Avi, 45, who came from the Galilee with his 14-year-old son, said that he has been waiting for this concert all his life.
Roger Waters calls on audience to 'tear down the walls'
By Ben Shalev, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
About an hour after his concert began, Roger Waters told the audience about a trip he took to the Middle East when he was 17. For some reason, he got stuck in Beirut and had to hitchhike home to England. The wonderful hospitality of a Lebanese family during that hard time "changed my life," he said.
Just before the end of the concert, Waters addressed his audience again. "I believe we need this generation of Israelis to tear down the walls and make peace with their neighbors," he said, setting off a round of cheers.
Tens of thousands of Israelis flocked to the mixed Arab-Jewish town of Neveh Shalom last night for the single performance by the British rock star - the founder of Pink Floyd, which produced the legendary album The Wall.
An estimated 50,000 gathered in a hastily prepared outdoor venue in a field near Neveh Shalom, which is located between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Hours before the performance, cars were gridlocked in all directions in one of Israel's worst traffic jams ever.
There was nothing surprising in the first part of the concert. Waters's band was super-professional, the sound was perfect. The stage and set looked like the sum invested in them could finance a small state in Africa.
Rogers sounded hoarse and his neck muscles bulged every time he sang. Those who were still stuck in traffic jams could only try to imagine what it felt like when tens of thousands sang together, "Shine on, you crazy diamond."
At 6 P.M., three hours before Waters was due on stage, Yoram Friedman was already standing right in front of the stage, surrounded by teenagers. The 50-year-old member of Kibbutz Givat Haim came with his son, a beginner guitarist. He said that he would stay as long as his strength held out, "because that is the only way to experience a rock concert."
Friedman has seen Pink Floyd four times, including on two consecutive days in London in 1982. He heard the album The Dark Side of the Moon (1973), considered by many fans to be the band's magnum opus, when he was 16 - his son's age today.
Friedman was in a minority in the huge concert compound. Most of the crowd were born after Waters, David Gilmour and the rest recorded The Dark Side. But the old-timers made their presence felt. Some wore long hair and tee shirts with the famous prism from the album jacket. Others were more conservative-looking.
Still, all had one thing in common: The music of Pink Floyd and the other great bands of the 1960s and 1970s was the backdrop and soundtrack of their lives. They came to remember, to relive their youth for a few hours.
Yossi Naor, for example, could not be missed. With his long hair, mustache and a 1960s-era floppy black hat, he looked like the fourth member of Crosby, Stills and Nash. He and his wife Mary, from Tel Aviv, are "50 plus." For them, Pink Floyd's music was "the end of an era. It was 1973, but for us it was the end of the 1960s, the end of the Beatles era."
Avi, 45, who came from the Galilee with his 14-year-old son, said that he has been waiting for this concert all his life.
Thursday, June 22, 2006
Saturday, June 17, 2006
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Covey.
I found I had this book at Menachem's. Looks very good.
From Amazon.com: The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change was a groundbreaker when it was first published in 1990, and it continues to be a business bestseller with more than 10 million copies sold. Stephen Covey, an internationally respected leadership authority, realizes that true success encompasses a balance of personal and professional effectiveness, so this book is a manual for performing better in both arenas. His anecdotes are as frequently from family situations as from business challenges.
Before you can adopt the seven habits, you'll need to accomplish what Covey calls a "paradigm shift"--a change in perception and interpretation of how the world works. Covey takes you through this change, which affects how you perceive and act regarding productivity, time management, positive thinking, developing your "proactive muscles" (acting with initiative rather than reacting), and much more.
This isn't a quick-tips-start-tomorrow kind of book. The concepts are sometimes intricate, and you'll want to study this book, not skim it. When you finish, you'll probably have Post-it notes or hand-written annotations in every chapter, and you'll feel like you've taken a powerful seminar by Covey. --Joan Price
From Amazon.com: The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change was a groundbreaker when it was first published in 1990, and it continues to be a business bestseller with more than 10 million copies sold. Stephen Covey, an internationally respected leadership authority, realizes that true success encompasses a balance of personal and professional effectiveness, so this book is a manual for performing better in both arenas. His anecdotes are as frequently from family situations as from business challenges.
Before you can adopt the seven habits, you'll need to accomplish what Covey calls a "paradigm shift"--a change in perception and interpretation of how the world works. Covey takes you through this change, which affects how you perceive and act regarding productivity, time management, positive thinking, developing your "proactive muscles" (acting with initiative rather than reacting), and much more.
This isn't a quick-tips-start-tomorrow kind of book. The concepts are sometimes intricate, and you'll want to study this book, not skim it. When you finish, you'll probably have Post-it notes or hand-written annotations in every chapter, and you'll feel like you've taken a powerful seminar by Covey. --Joan Price
Friday, June 16, 2006
Bill and Steve of Microsoft Dinosaur:
Gates and Ballmer Calm the Microsoft Troops
By Mary Jo Foley
Microsoft's top two executives share their thoughts via company-wide e-mails on Microsoft's 'New Era of Technical Leadership.' Here is the text of the Ballmer and Gates notes.
Microsoft's chairman and CEO sent e-mail to Microsoft's nearly 70,000 employees, explaining the latest management transition, announced June 15, via which Gates will relinquish his day-to-day Microsoft duties and Chief Software Architect title by 2008.
Here is the text of Ballmer's and Gates' missives:
From: Steve Ballmer
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:31 PM
To: Microsoft and Subsidiaries: All FTE
Subject: New Era of Technical Leadership
I wanted to share some important news with you, and talk a little bit about some of my top priorities in the coming months.
Today we are announcing the news that – effective July 2008 – Bill will transition to a part-time role at the company. While this is significant news, it's important to note that for the next two years Bill will continue full-time as Chairman, and that even after July 2008 he will continue as Chairman and an advisor on key development and business issues.
This is not a decision that either Bill or I take lightly. We have a solid transition plan, and Microsoft is well-positioned to make this transition given the depth of senior leaders we have, and our strong pipeline of products over the coming year.
As Microsoft has grown, Bill also has taken on another challenge – the amazing work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to confront critical issues like global health and education. The Foundation's efforts have begun to have a major impact, and there is growing need for him to spend more of his time on Foundation activities.
Bill and I have talked over the years about scaling the company's leadership and about succession planning. Our efforts to expand the company's leadership and delegate more authority to meet the challenges of our expanded scope of innovation are well underway. At the same time, we agreed that when the time came for Bill to reduce his time at the company, we would announce it far enough in advance to ensure a smooth transition, giving him time to work side by side with new leaders. Bill and I are confident this plan will ensure Microsoft's future and build from the steps we have already taken.
You can't replace everything that Bill brings to this company with a single person, but Bill and I are confident we've assembled a great team that can step up and drive Microsoft innovation forward without missing a beat.
Ray Ozzie will immediately take on Bill's role of Chief Software Architect. In Ray's expanded role, he will partner with the Presidents to drive technical, strategic and business decisions that have cross-divisional impact.
Craig Mundie takes the newly created position of Chief Research and Strategy Officer. Craig will assume Bill's responsibility for the Company's research and incubation activities and partner with Brad Smith to guide our intellectual property and policy work, in addition to his existing responsibilities.
Effective immediately, Rick Rashid and his organization will report to Craig, and David Vaskevitch, our CTO, will report to Ray and work closely with him on company-wide technical issues. Their roles are unchanged. Eric Rudder and Jon DeVaan will also stay reporting to Bill. In a year, we will transition all Bill's direct reports so we are fully in our new roles.
Ray, Craig and I will be instituting regular meetings with Technical Fellows, Distinguished Engineers, and other top development executives, to ensure that we are incorporating their insights into our strategic thinking and decisions.
About a year ago, we organized our operations into 3 major divisions and an operating group, and gave those units broad authority. This was a first step toward greater speed and agility, by pushing decision-making and accountability out to the individual businesses. We have great leaders in place to run our businesses including our COO Kevin Turner, our division presidents Kevin Johnson, Jeff Raikes, and Robbie Bach. And, of course, with Jim Allchin's remaining time here before retirement, he's focused on shipping a high-quality Windows Vista release. As we enter this second phase of transition, I am especially excited to see key product leaders like Steven Sinofsky, J Allard, Bob Muglia, and others step up to new and expanded responsibilities.
We have great teams running our businesses and spearheading our technical leadership. I am drawing from my direct reports and the people highlighted here on both the business and technical sides to form a kind of Kitchen Cabinet of advisers. They will help me make the right decisions that cut across all our businesses -- about where to innovate, where to invest, how to evolve our brand, how to manage our people and improve our effectiveness.
In the third phase, by the first of the year, many teams will have completed important milestones, giving our leaders the chance to take bold steps to further improve agility, focus on Live and other new priorities, and give exciting and expanded responsibilities to top performers.
As we move forward, there are some basic principles that will continue to be key to our success.
First, we take an incredibly broad view when it comes to innovation. We invest in long-term research and we invest in product features that are ready to come to market right away. We nurture small teams, and we do large scale projects. We innovate in development and incubation groups as well as through external acquistions. Innovation is the top priority for the company.
Second, we are a products and services company. We hire the most brilliant and passionate technical people, and give them the tools and environment where they can do their best work. We have never had a better year than the last one in recruiting. The number and quality of campus and industry hires was fantastic and our retention of good performers is near an all time high. Great products brought to market by first-rate business people is the key to our long term success.
Will Microsoft Still Be Microsoft Without Bill Gates?
Gates Out; Ozzie Becomes Chief Software Architect
Bill Gates' Departure is Good News (PC Magazine)
So Long, Bill, and Thanks for all the Phish (ExtremeTech)
And third, we're patient, we're relentless, we keep working and investing and listening to our customers and improving our products until we rise to the top. Windows, Office, and Server all took a number of years to get to critical mass. We are applying the same tenacity and long-term commitment to break through in all areas from Windows, Office, business applications and servers, to advertising, search, TV and gaming, and mobility.
Perhaps most importantly, we will be tenacious and persistent in driving our Live initiative with all the technology and business model implications that it has.
We do also need to be relentless in improving our agility, quality, and impact as a company – ensuring our products come to market on a timely basis, decisions are clear and stick, and our time and energy are focused on customers and creating new software.
We have an amazing opportunity ahead of us. We have only scratched the surface of what software innovation can do for our customers, and the value we can create for employees, shareholders and customers alike.
Later this afternoon we'll be holding a company webcast to discuss our transition plans over the next two years and take your questions. Please join me, Bill and other senior leaders at 4:30pm for the Employee Town Hall webcast.
Thanks.
Steve
Read Chairman Gates' E-mail Missive on the Next Page
From: MSBILLG
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:41 PM
To: Microsoft and Subsidiaries: All FTE Subject: My Transition Plans
I wanted to take a moment to share some of my thoughts, as well.
As Steve's mail indicates, I've decided that two years from now, in July 2008, I want to devote more time to the work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Right now and for the next two years, my full-time job is here at Microsoft, and my part-time job remains the Foundation. Beginning in July 2008, I will switch that, to be full-time at the Foundation, while remaining involved with Microsoft as Chairman and an advisor on key development projects on a part-time basis.
To prepare for this change, we have a well-thought-out transition process. Again, I will continue at Microsoft full-time for the next two years, but over the course of those two years, my day-to-day responsibilities will shift to a team of incredible technical leaders who are already doing amazing things at the company.
I feel very lucky that we've got extraordinary technical leaders at the company, like Ray Ozzie and Craig Mundie, who can step up to assume the roles that I've played. I've known Ray for the last 20 years, and he has created some of the most important developments in the industry. Craig and I have worked together for nearly 14 years, and he's been a technical visionary and a leader on policy throughout his career. With Ray and Craig stepping up, I feel very confident that the technical stewardship of Microsoft is in very capable hands.
And I feel the same way about our business leadership. Our core businesses are strong and we have a clear vision for how we will meet new challenges and opportunities. We just had our first $12 billion quarter, and we continue to generate almost a billion dollars in profit every month. We are about to launch breakthrough versions of Windows, Office and Exchange, which are already generating a lot of excitement.
Six years ago, Steve and I made a major transition when he stepped up to be CEO. He's done a fantastic job by every measure, whether it's the people he's brought in, the new ways he's running the company, or just the objective results – like doubling our revenue in six years. Steve has driven us to make bold bets on things like Xbox, Real Time Communications, business applications, IPTV, and many others including the Live platform. Steve is the best CEO I could imagine for Microsoft – he is changing the company in ways it needs to be changed. He is bringing in new leadership at all levels. And, he is focused on the long-term – making Microsoft a great company not just today but for decades to come.
With Steve's organization of the company into three divisions led by our incredible presidents – Jeff Raikes, Robbie Bach, and Kevin Johnson – we've laid a solid foundation for greater autonomy, agility and entrepreneurial spirit in our product groups. And with the great addition of Kevin Turner as our COO, our leadership team has never been stronger.
Our deep technical strength is one of the key reasons I believe Microsoft is well-positioned for great success in the years ahead. I'm very pleased that in addition to Ray, Craig, David and Rick, Steve has asked J Allard, Bob Muglia, and Steven Sinofsky to play an expanded role in shaping the company's business and technology strategy. And when you consider all of our remarkable Technical Fellows, Distinguished Engineers, all of the brilliant researchers working at our MSR labs around the world, and all the technical people in the business groups, I can safely say that our technical talent has never been stronger or deeper.
Obviously, this has been a very hard decision for me. Microsoft will always be a huge part of my life, and I'm lucky to have two callings that are so important and so challenging.
On a personal note, I know that my work on global health and education issues at the Foundation would never have been possible without the enormous success of Microsoft, so I want to thank you and all of the employees past and present who have contributed so much to this company.
Will Microsoft Still Be Microsoft Without Bill Gates?
Gates Out; Ozzie Becomes Chief Software Architect
Bill Gates' Departure is Good News (PC Magazine)
So Long, Bill, and Thanks for all the Phish (ExtremeTech)
For these last 31 years, I've had the best job in the world. I've worked with some of the brightest and most passionate people in the world. Together, we've built a great company whose products have empowered people around the world.
We're only at the beginning of what software can do, and I'm excited about the impact that Microsoft can have. I'm going to take an extended vacation this summer with my family, but I'll be back in late August and I look forward to working with all of you for the next two years and beyond, to make those dreams a reality.
Thanks.
Bill
By Mary Jo Foley
Microsoft's top two executives share their thoughts via company-wide e-mails on Microsoft's 'New Era of Technical Leadership.' Here is the text of the Ballmer and Gates notes.
Microsoft's chairman and CEO sent e-mail to Microsoft's nearly 70,000 employees, explaining the latest management transition, announced June 15, via which Gates will relinquish his day-to-day Microsoft duties and Chief Software Architect title by 2008.
Here is the text of Ballmer's and Gates' missives:
From: Steve Ballmer
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:31 PM
To: Microsoft and Subsidiaries: All FTE
Subject: New Era of Technical Leadership
I wanted to share some important news with you, and talk a little bit about some of my top priorities in the coming months.
Today we are announcing the news that – effective July 2008 – Bill will transition to a part-time role at the company. While this is significant news, it's important to note that for the next two years Bill will continue full-time as Chairman, and that even after July 2008 he will continue as Chairman and an advisor on key development and business issues.
This is not a decision that either Bill or I take lightly. We have a solid transition plan, and Microsoft is well-positioned to make this transition given the depth of senior leaders we have, and our strong pipeline of products over the coming year.
As Microsoft has grown, Bill also has taken on another challenge – the amazing work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to confront critical issues like global health and education. The Foundation's efforts have begun to have a major impact, and there is growing need for him to spend more of his time on Foundation activities.
Bill and I have talked over the years about scaling the company's leadership and about succession planning. Our efforts to expand the company's leadership and delegate more authority to meet the challenges of our expanded scope of innovation are well underway. At the same time, we agreed that when the time came for Bill to reduce his time at the company, we would announce it far enough in advance to ensure a smooth transition, giving him time to work side by side with new leaders. Bill and I are confident this plan will ensure Microsoft's future and build from the steps we have already taken.
You can't replace everything that Bill brings to this company with a single person, but Bill and I are confident we've assembled a great team that can step up and drive Microsoft innovation forward without missing a beat.
Ray Ozzie will immediately take on Bill's role of Chief Software Architect. In Ray's expanded role, he will partner with the Presidents to drive technical, strategic and business decisions that have cross-divisional impact.
Craig Mundie takes the newly created position of Chief Research and Strategy Officer. Craig will assume Bill's responsibility for the Company's research and incubation activities and partner with Brad Smith to guide our intellectual property and policy work, in addition to his existing responsibilities.
Effective immediately, Rick Rashid and his organization will report to Craig, and David Vaskevitch, our CTO, will report to Ray and work closely with him on company-wide technical issues. Their roles are unchanged. Eric Rudder and Jon DeVaan will also stay reporting to Bill. In a year, we will transition all Bill's direct reports so we are fully in our new roles.
Ray, Craig and I will be instituting regular meetings with Technical Fellows, Distinguished Engineers, and other top development executives, to ensure that we are incorporating their insights into our strategic thinking and decisions.
About a year ago, we organized our operations into 3 major divisions and an operating group, and gave those units broad authority. This was a first step toward greater speed and agility, by pushing decision-making and accountability out to the individual businesses. We have great leaders in place to run our businesses including our COO Kevin Turner, our division presidents Kevin Johnson, Jeff Raikes, and Robbie Bach. And, of course, with Jim Allchin's remaining time here before retirement, he's focused on shipping a high-quality Windows Vista release. As we enter this second phase of transition, I am especially excited to see key product leaders like Steven Sinofsky, J Allard, Bob Muglia, and others step up to new and expanded responsibilities.
We have great teams running our businesses and spearheading our technical leadership. I am drawing from my direct reports and the people highlighted here on both the business and technical sides to form a kind of Kitchen Cabinet of advisers. They will help me make the right decisions that cut across all our businesses -- about where to innovate, where to invest, how to evolve our brand, how to manage our people and improve our effectiveness.
In the third phase, by the first of the year, many teams will have completed important milestones, giving our leaders the chance to take bold steps to further improve agility, focus on Live and other new priorities, and give exciting and expanded responsibilities to top performers.
As we move forward, there are some basic principles that will continue to be key to our success.
First, we take an incredibly broad view when it comes to innovation. We invest in long-term research and we invest in product features that are ready to come to market right away. We nurture small teams, and we do large scale projects. We innovate in development and incubation groups as well as through external acquistions. Innovation is the top priority for the company.
Second, we are a products and services company. We hire the most brilliant and passionate technical people, and give them the tools and environment where they can do their best work. We have never had a better year than the last one in recruiting. The number and quality of campus and industry hires was fantastic and our retention of good performers is near an all time high. Great products brought to market by first-rate business people is the key to our long term success.
Will Microsoft Still Be Microsoft Without Bill Gates?
Gates Out; Ozzie Becomes Chief Software Architect
Bill Gates' Departure is Good News (PC Magazine)
So Long, Bill, and Thanks for all the Phish (ExtremeTech)
And third, we're patient, we're relentless, we keep working and investing and listening to our customers and improving our products until we rise to the top. Windows, Office, and Server all took a number of years to get to critical mass. We are applying the same tenacity and long-term commitment to break through in all areas from Windows, Office, business applications and servers, to advertising, search, TV and gaming, and mobility.
Perhaps most importantly, we will be tenacious and persistent in driving our Live initiative with all the technology and business model implications that it has.
We do also need to be relentless in improving our agility, quality, and impact as a company – ensuring our products come to market on a timely basis, decisions are clear and stick, and our time and energy are focused on customers and creating new software.
We have an amazing opportunity ahead of us. We have only scratched the surface of what software innovation can do for our customers, and the value we can create for employees, shareholders and customers alike.
Later this afternoon we'll be holding a company webcast to discuss our transition plans over the next two years and take your questions. Please join me, Bill and other senior leaders at 4:30pm for the Employee Town Hall webcast.
Thanks.
Steve
Read Chairman Gates' E-mail Missive on the Next Page
From: MSBILLG
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:41 PM
To: Microsoft and Subsidiaries: All FTE Subject: My Transition Plans
I wanted to take a moment to share some of my thoughts, as well.
As Steve's mail indicates, I've decided that two years from now, in July 2008, I want to devote more time to the work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Right now and for the next two years, my full-time job is here at Microsoft, and my part-time job remains the Foundation. Beginning in July 2008, I will switch that, to be full-time at the Foundation, while remaining involved with Microsoft as Chairman and an advisor on key development projects on a part-time basis.
To prepare for this change, we have a well-thought-out transition process. Again, I will continue at Microsoft full-time for the next two years, but over the course of those two years, my day-to-day responsibilities will shift to a team of incredible technical leaders who are already doing amazing things at the company.
I feel very lucky that we've got extraordinary technical leaders at the company, like Ray Ozzie and Craig Mundie, who can step up to assume the roles that I've played. I've known Ray for the last 20 years, and he has created some of the most important developments in the industry. Craig and I have worked together for nearly 14 years, and he's been a technical visionary and a leader on policy throughout his career. With Ray and Craig stepping up, I feel very confident that the technical stewardship of Microsoft is in very capable hands.
And I feel the same way about our business leadership. Our core businesses are strong and we have a clear vision for how we will meet new challenges and opportunities. We just had our first $12 billion quarter, and we continue to generate almost a billion dollars in profit every month. We are about to launch breakthrough versions of Windows, Office and Exchange, which are already generating a lot of excitement.
Six years ago, Steve and I made a major transition when he stepped up to be CEO. He's done a fantastic job by every measure, whether it's the people he's brought in, the new ways he's running the company, or just the objective results – like doubling our revenue in six years. Steve has driven us to make bold bets on things like Xbox, Real Time Communications, business applications, IPTV, and many others including the Live platform. Steve is the best CEO I could imagine for Microsoft – he is changing the company in ways it needs to be changed. He is bringing in new leadership at all levels. And, he is focused on the long-term – making Microsoft a great company not just today but for decades to come.
With Steve's organization of the company into three divisions led by our incredible presidents – Jeff Raikes, Robbie Bach, and Kevin Johnson – we've laid a solid foundation for greater autonomy, agility and entrepreneurial spirit in our product groups. And with the great addition of Kevin Turner as our COO, our leadership team has never been stronger.
Our deep technical strength is one of the key reasons I believe Microsoft is well-positioned for great success in the years ahead. I'm very pleased that in addition to Ray, Craig, David and Rick, Steve has asked J Allard, Bob Muglia, and Steven Sinofsky to play an expanded role in shaping the company's business and technology strategy. And when you consider all of our remarkable Technical Fellows, Distinguished Engineers, all of the brilliant researchers working at our MSR labs around the world, and all the technical people in the business groups, I can safely say that our technical talent has never been stronger or deeper.
Obviously, this has been a very hard decision for me. Microsoft will always be a huge part of my life, and I'm lucky to have two callings that are so important and so challenging.
On a personal note, I know that my work on global health and education issues at the Foundation would never have been possible without the enormous success of Microsoft, so I want to thank you and all of the employees past and present who have contributed so much to this company.
Will Microsoft Still Be Microsoft Without Bill Gates?
Gates Out; Ozzie Becomes Chief Software Architect
Bill Gates' Departure is Good News (PC Magazine)
So Long, Bill, and Thanks for all the Phish (ExtremeTech)
For these last 31 years, I've had the best job in the world. I've worked with some of the brightest and most passionate people in the world. Together, we've built a great company whose products have empowered people around the world.
We're only at the beginning of what software can do, and I'm excited about the impact that Microsoft can have. I'm going to take an extended vacation this summer with my family, but I'll be back in late August and I look forward to working with all of you for the next two years and beyond, to make those dreams a reality.
Thanks.
Bill
Thursday, June 15, 2006
Dina Porat: The Zionist Leadership in Palestine and the Holocaust, 1939-1945
Dina Porat: The Zionist Leadership in Palestine and the Holocaust, 1939-1945
Thursday, 15. June 2006, 13:55:09
I got the Book Today in Hebrew, second hand. there is a Table of events. The Mass Destruction happened only after Pearl Harbour and USA joining in WW2.
History, Holocaust, Israel
Dina Porat: The Zionist Leadership in Palestine and the Holocaust, 1939-1945.
Editorial Reviews From Library Journal
The shadow of World War II still looms large. Though the extent of the atrocities committed against the Jews during this period is well known, there has not hitherto been a comprehensive study on the reactions of the Palestinian Jewish community (the Yishuv ), particularly its leadership, to the fate of their European brethren. The few articles and smaller studies that have appeared over the past two decades indicate that this leadership did not do everything it could to save European Jewry. In this comprehensive study, Porat (Tel Aviv Univ.) examines what the Yishuv' s leadership knew, when, and how they responded. Based on previously unexamined archival sources, she answers these questions convincingly and with sensitivity and perception. This will no doubt be the standard work on the subject. It includes a comprehensive bibliography and biographical glossary. Highly recommended for Holocaust studies collections.
- Jehuda Reinharz, Brandeis Univ., Waltham, Mass.
Thursday, 15. June 2006, 13:55:09
I got the Book Today in Hebrew, second hand. there is a Table of events. The Mass Destruction happened only after Pearl Harbour and USA joining in WW2.
History, Holocaust, Israel
Dina Porat: The Zionist Leadership in Palestine and the Holocaust, 1939-1945.
Editorial Reviews From Library Journal
The shadow of World War II still looms large. Though the extent of the atrocities committed against the Jews during this period is well known, there has not hitherto been a comprehensive study on the reactions of the Palestinian Jewish community (the Yishuv ), particularly its leadership, to the fate of their European brethren. The few articles and smaller studies that have appeared over the past two decades indicate that this leadership did not do everything it could to save European Jewry. In this comprehensive study, Porat (Tel Aviv Univ.) examines what the Yishuv' s leadership knew, when, and how they responded. Based on previously unexamined archival sources, she answers these questions convincingly and with sensitivity and perception. This will no doubt be the standard work on the subject. It includes a comprehensive bibliography and biographical glossary. Highly recommended for Holocaust studies collections.
- Jehuda Reinharz, Brandeis Univ., Waltham, Mass.
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
Monday, June 05, 2006
Electric Power Outages.
Last update - 13:47 05/06/2006
Police, citing power outages: Avoid using elevators 'til 6 P.M.
By Sharon Kedmi, Haaretz CorrespondentHaaretz Service
As power outages spread across Israel for the second day on Monday, police and fire department officials recommended against using elevators until the brown-outs were to end at 6 P.M.
The Israeli Electric Company, which initiated the brown-outs after technical problems and demand for air conditioning during a continuing heat wave, promised "to make every effort" to limit the duration of the outages and to return power to their customers.
A 68-year-old Ofakim man was in serious condition in Soroka hospital in Be'er Sheva on Monday, after a Sunday power outage caused his respirator to fail, Army Radio reported.
The man, Aelin Chikol, was unconscious when he was taken to Soroka for treatment, the radio said.
The IEC said Monday that power outages could recur over the coming weeks, and that it would notify the public in advance of implementing brown-outs.
IEC officials said Sunday that the weather conditions over the past few days led to a greatly increased demand for power, exceeding the production capability of the company's power stations. To protect the electrical system, the company announced, it was initiating brief, localized power outages that would be dispersed among consumers.
"The company apologizes for the inconvenience," a statement said.
Officials also said that IEC is still in the process of renovating production units to meet summertime demand.
The IEC's capacity is some 7,700 megawatts, short of the 8,200 MW of expected demand in the peak afternoon hours.
Additionally, a malfunction occured Sunday in a large production unit (550 MW) at the Rotenberg power plant south of Ashkelon, and the company is contending with malfunctions at other, smaller units as well. Moreover, the Reading power station, which can supply 430 MW, is under administrative closure.
The company announced that another large unit that has been renovated for the summer will go online Monday at Rotenberg.
The utility's management held an emergency meeting on this matter several weeks ago, at which time it emerged that the ability to meet power demands for the summer is not assured and there might be serious shortages. The concern is that unless licenses are obtained to operate the power stations at Alon Tavor, Gezer and Reading, the IEC will not be able to meet anticipated demands.
Under the Electricity Law, the stations can operate only as subsidiaries - that is, upon implementation of reforms in the electricity market that have been postponed until March 2007.
According to IEC data, demand is expected to reach a height of 9,700 MW, compared to 9,030 MW last summer. The maximum production capability will be 10,718 MW, but the available capability will be only 10,666 MW because of various limitations. Definite available capability will be only 8,986 MW.
Sources in the energy market said Sunday that the IEC could solve the problem immediately by establishing licensed subsidiaries. According to these sources, the utility's opposition to the reform leads to fears of power shortages every year.
A company official said Sunday that when there are shortages, the utility manages the power supply in an equitable manner, initiating outages for no more than half an hour and dividing them among all consumers. Usually it is impossible to know where there will be an outage, but as a rule the IEC does not cut off power to essential facilities such as security installations, hospitals, nursing homes and the like.
National Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer said the IEC needs to take another tack, and he instructed it to comply with the law to enable the operation of the Gezer and Alon Tavor stations.
Police, citing power outages: Avoid using elevators 'til 6 P.M.
By Sharon Kedmi, Haaretz CorrespondentHaaretz Service
As power outages spread across Israel for the second day on Monday, police and fire department officials recommended against using elevators until the brown-outs were to end at 6 P.M.
The Israeli Electric Company, which initiated the brown-outs after technical problems and demand for air conditioning during a continuing heat wave, promised "to make every effort" to limit the duration of the outages and to return power to their customers.
A 68-year-old Ofakim man was in serious condition in Soroka hospital in Be'er Sheva on Monday, after a Sunday power outage caused his respirator to fail, Army Radio reported.
The man, Aelin Chikol, was unconscious when he was taken to Soroka for treatment, the radio said.
The IEC said Monday that power outages could recur over the coming weeks, and that it would notify the public in advance of implementing brown-outs.
IEC officials said Sunday that the weather conditions over the past few days led to a greatly increased demand for power, exceeding the production capability of the company's power stations. To protect the electrical system, the company announced, it was initiating brief, localized power outages that would be dispersed among consumers.
"The company apologizes for the inconvenience," a statement said.
Officials also said that IEC is still in the process of renovating production units to meet summertime demand.
The IEC's capacity is some 7,700 megawatts, short of the 8,200 MW of expected demand in the peak afternoon hours.
Additionally, a malfunction occured Sunday in a large production unit (550 MW) at the Rotenberg power plant south of Ashkelon, and the company is contending with malfunctions at other, smaller units as well. Moreover, the Reading power station, which can supply 430 MW, is under administrative closure.
The company announced that another large unit that has been renovated for the summer will go online Monday at Rotenberg.
The utility's management held an emergency meeting on this matter several weeks ago, at which time it emerged that the ability to meet power demands for the summer is not assured and there might be serious shortages. The concern is that unless licenses are obtained to operate the power stations at Alon Tavor, Gezer and Reading, the IEC will not be able to meet anticipated demands.
Under the Electricity Law, the stations can operate only as subsidiaries - that is, upon implementation of reforms in the electricity market that have been postponed until March 2007.
According to IEC data, demand is expected to reach a height of 9,700 MW, compared to 9,030 MW last summer. The maximum production capability will be 10,718 MW, but the available capability will be only 10,666 MW because of various limitations. Definite available capability will be only 8,986 MW.
Sources in the energy market said Sunday that the IEC could solve the problem immediately by establishing licensed subsidiaries. According to these sources, the utility's opposition to the reform leads to fears of power shortages every year.
A company official said Sunday that when there are shortages, the utility manages the power supply in an equitable manner, initiating outages for no more than half an hour and dividing them among all consumers. Usually it is impossible to know where there will be an outage, but as a rule the IEC does not cut off power to essential facilities such as security installations, hospitals, nursing homes and the like.
National Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer said the IEC needs to take another tack, and he instructed it to comply with the law to enable the operation of the Gezer and Alon Tavor stations.
Friday, June 02, 2006
1/06/1958 - 1/06/2006 48 years in Israel
1st of June 1958 we arrived at Haifa Port on the "Theodore Herzl" Zim Boat.
ืื ืืืื ื ืชื ืืื, ืืจืืืื ืจืืฉืื ืืื ืืืืืจืืช
"ืืืขืชื ืฉืืคืกืื ืืืืฉืื ืืคื ื ืืืืืจืืช" http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//917047
ืืื ืฉืืฉื, 2 ืืืื ื 2006, 14:03 ืืืช: ืืจื ืฉืืื, ืืืจืฅ
ืื ืืืื ื ืชื ืืื, ืืจืืืื ืจืืฉืื ืืื ืืืืืจืืช, ืืชืืฉืื ืขื ืื ืฉืืืื ืื, ืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืื ื ืคืืกืืื ืืช ืืืคืื ืืืืจืขืื ืืืืจืื ื
ืื ืืื ืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืจืืืื ืืืืจืืช. ืืืืื ืืช ื ืืืจื ืืื ืืื ืืืืคืืืืฆืื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืืจื ืืืขืจืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืฉ ื ืืชื ืื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืืจื. ืืื ืืจืืข ืืืืจืืข ืื ืืืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืจ ื ืืืฉ. ืืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืืืชื ืืืฉืคืืข ืขื ืืชืืฆืื. ืืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืืืชื ืืืืื ืืช ืืกืืฃ ืืืืื ื ืืื. ืื ืืงืฉืืื ืื ืืขืช, ืืืจ. ืืื ืฉืื ืกืืืื ืฉืืฉืืืืืืจ ืื ืื ืืืจืขื ืืงืฉืืื ืื. ืืื ื ืืื ืืืช ืืืืจ ืืืืืจืืช. ืืืืจ ืืช ืฉืืฉ ืื ืืืืจ ืืืจื ืืชืืืกื ืืืืืจืืช.
ืื ืืื. ืฉืืืขืืช ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื. ืืืจ ืื ืืื ืืืกืชืื ืืงืจืืืช ืืกืืื ืืื ืืืืืื. ืืืจ ืื ืืชื ืชืง ืืืกืชืืจ ืืืชืื ืกืคืจ. ืขื ืฉืืคื ื ืฉืืืขืืื, ืคืชืืื ืืชืงืฉืจ. ืขืืฉืื, ืืืงืฉ, ืืื. ืืืืื ืืฉ ืฉืื ืชืื ืื ืฉื ืืฆืืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืฆืืืื ืืช ืฆืืงืชื ืืืืจ. ืืงืฉืืื ืฉืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืจ ืื ืื ืืชืื ืืืืงืืจืชื ืฉืื. ืืืคืจืืจืืืช ืฉื ืืืฉืืช ืงืืืื ืืืจืืช ืืื ืฉืื ืืจืืื ืืฉืื ืืืืืืช ืื ืขื ืืื. ืืจื ืื ืืื ืืืช ืืฉ ืืช ืืชืืื ื ืืืืงืืงื ืืื ืฉื ืื ืืืืืช. ืื ืืื ืืืช ืืฉ ืืืื ืฉืืขืืจ ืงืืื ืืืื ื. ืืืื ืืืื ืืฉืงื ืืืกืืืจื.
ื ืื ืืืื ืืช ืืขื ืืฉืฉืืข ืฉืื ืืืื ืขื ืืงื. ืงืฆืืืืช ืืืงื ื ืืืืืกืืืช ืฉื ืืืืชื. ืกื ืืชืจืืคืืช ืืืกืจ ืฉื ืืืื. ืืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืฉืชื ืืจืืืฉืื ืืืืงืื. ืืจืืืฉืื ืืขืื ืืื ืืื ืืืืง. ืืชืื ืขืฉืจืช ืืืคืื ืฉืงื ืฉืื ืืจืืืืืื ืืืงืืช ืืืฉืื ืชื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื. ืืชืื ืืฉืืฉื ืืืฆื ืื ืืชืจืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืขืื ืืช ืืืื ืฉื ืืืืืื. ืื ืขื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื ืืืฃ ืืฆืคื ืืืื ืฉืืฉืคืื ืขืืืืช ืชืืื? ืขื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื ืืืฃ ืืฆืคื ืืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืช ืืืืืื ืืืืืช ืืืจืืื ืืฉืจืืืื ื ืืื ืื? ืืื ืื ืื, ืืื ืืื ืืื. ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืจืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืฉืื. ืืื ืกืชื ืื ืฉืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉืชืืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉืืืื ืืืจืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉื ืชื ื ืืช ืื ืฉืื ืืขืื.
ืืื ืขื ืืืจืคืกืช ืฉื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืืจืืฉืืื, ื ืฉืืขืื ืื ืงืืืืช ืืืจืื. ืคืขื ืืืจ ืคืขื ืืฉืืื ืืืคืจืขืช ืขื ืืื ืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืืกืืจืืื ืืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืื ืืคืจืืงื ืืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืงืืืคืืจื ืื ืืืืงืฉืื ืจืง ืชืืื ื ืืืช. ืืืื ืืฉื ืืืืืขืช ืฉืืืจื ื ืืืฉ ืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืืืจ ืืืื ืืื ืขืืื, ืืืื. ืืืื ืืื. ืคืขืืืื ืืฆืืช ืืช ืืืืื ื ืืคืขืืืื ืืจืงื ืืืชื. ืืืื ืจืฉืขืืช ืื. ืืืื ืืคืืืช ืืืื. ืืืจื ืืืืืืืืกืื ืืืชืคืืฆืฆืื ืืืืช ืื ื ืฉืงื, ืืืจื ืฉืืืืืื ืืืขื ืงืจืกื ืืืืช ืื ื ืคืจืืื ืืืืื. ืืืืืงื ืืื ืฉืืืืช ืืื ืขืืืื ืืชื. ืขืืืื ืืืืื ืื ืื. ืืื ืืื ืฉืืขืฉืจืช ืืืชื ืืืื ืงืช ืืช ืืื ืืืช ืฉืืื ืืื ืชืงืขื ืื ืกืืื ืืื. ืืื ืืชื ืชืืืืจ, ืืืื. ืืืืื ืื ืฉืชืืืืจ.
ืฉืจื ืืืืืง ืขืืจื ื ืืชืื ืื ืืืื ื ืื ืืืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืจื. ืื ืฉื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืจืขืื ืืืืจืื ื ืืืฉืืง ืืืืจืื ืขื ืืืฉื ืขื ืืื ืืื ืื. ืืฉืืื ืขื ืขืชืื ืืฆืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืืืจืืจ ืืขื ืืื ืืคืจืืื ืืื ืฉื ืืืืืืช-ืขืืื-ืืฉืืจื. ืืื ืขืืืื ืืืขื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืจ ืื ืืืืืื. ืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืจืืจ. ื ืืื ืื ืฉืืื ืืฉ ืืืื ืฉืื ืื ืืฉืืืขืืช ืืืืจืื ืื. ืืืืคื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ื ืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืื ืืงืื. ืืืืคื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืงืจื ืืืจ ืื ืืืืจ ืืืขืจืืช ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืช. ืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉื ืืฆืื ืืืชื. ืืื ื ืืืชื. ืืืืืื ืืืชื ืฉืืื.
ื ืชื ืืื ืชืืื ื ืขืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืืื ืืืื
ืงืืื ืืื ืขื ืคืจืก. ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืจืฆื ืืฉืืืข, ืืื ืืืื ืชืืืจ ืืืคืืจืฉ ืื ืฆืคืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืืืจืื (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืื ื'ืืืืื ืกืงื. ื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืืืจ ืืืกืืืจืื ืืชืืืืืื ืืืืงื ืขืืื
ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืืืืจื ืืืืืง ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืืฉืื ืืืื. ื ืชื ืืื ืื ืืืฉืฃ ืืช ืจืืฉืืชืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืฉืืืื ืืฃ ืฆืืืืืช ืืชืื ืื ืืื ืฉืืื ื ืฉื ืืคื ื ืฉื ื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืจืก ืืื ืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืจ ืืจืืฉืืช ืืืืฉืื ื-1996. ืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืื ืืืจ ืื. ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืืืืืจ. ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืจืฆื ืืฉืืืข, ืืื ืืืื ืชืืืจ ืืืคืืจืฉ ืื ืฆืคืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืืืจืื. ืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืืคื ื ืืืืื ืืชืืืืื, ืืื ืืฉืืื ืข ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืืืจืืงืืื ืฉืืืืกืืื ืืงื ืื ืืื ืืจืืข ืืืืฉ.
ื ืชื ืืื ืชืืื ื ืขืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืืื ืืืื. ืคืืืช ืืืืจ, ืคืืืช ืืชื ืฉื, ืืืชืจ ืงืฉืื. ืืชืืืฉื ืืืืจืกื ืืขืืืงื ืืืจ ืกืคืื ืืขืฅ ืฉื ืืืื ืืื, ืงืืฆืฅ ืืงืคืืื ืืช ืงืฆื ืืกืืืจ ืืืืืื ืืืกืืืจืืืกืืคืื. ืืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืฉืืืืช ืืืืืื ืืืืืืืช. ืืช ืืืื ืืืืง ืืขืืื. ืืชืืืคืืช ืืืืืช, ืืชื ืืฉืืช ืืชืจืืืืืช. ืืืคืขืชื ืืืืขืืืืชื ืฉื ืืืืืช, ืขืืืืชื ืืฉืงืืขืชื ืฉื ืืืืคืจืืืช. ืืืฆืืจืืฃ ืืื ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืงืจื-ืืืืืืื ืขื ืชืืืืื ืขืืืง ืืืกืืืจืืื. ื ืืื ืื ืงื ืจ ืืืืืื; ืฉืืื ื ืืื ืื ืืจืืื; ืืจืื ืืืืื, ืืื ื'ืืืืื ืกืงื ืืืืชื ืืจืืืืืืจ.
ืืื ืืื ืืืชืจ? ืื ืืจืืจ. ืืขืืืจ ืืื ืขื ืฉืืกืคืจ ืืืื ืืชืื ืืขืจืื ืืืืื. ืืขืืืจ ืืื ืขื ืฉืืืืืื ืืืืฉืฉ ืืืฉืืงื. ืืื ื ืืื ืฉื ืชื ืืื ืืชืืื ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืคืืื ืฆืืื ืืืืื ืืจืืง ืืื ืืืืืชื ืืืกืืื ืฉืืจืืื ืฉืจืื ืืืชืืจ ืืืจืื. ืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืืคืื ืขืืื. ืื ืจืืื ืืืชืจ ืืื ื ืืื ืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืฉืขืช ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืขื ืืคืชื ื ืืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืขืืืืื.
"ืืฉ ืืฉืื ืคืืื ืืืืืื-ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืืชืื ืกืืช"
ื ืชื ืืื ืืืืืืจื. "ืืชื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืชื ืขืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืื"ืฆ)
ืืืื ืืจื. "ืืขืงืืืช ืกืคืื ืื ืชืงืฉืืจืชืืื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืคืืื ืืกืืืืช, ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืชืืืงื ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืื ืืืืจ ืืื ืืฉืืจ" (ืฆืืืื: ืืืจืืื ืกืื ื, ืืืจืฅ)
ืืืืข ืืฉืืช ืืืืืจืืช 2006?
"ืืคื ื ืฉืืืืืื ืืชืคืื ืืคืขืืื ืืชืืื ื ืช ืฉื ืื ืฉืขืื ืืจืืฉื. ืืืชื ืืชืคืจืงืืช ืจืขืืื ืืช ืืืื ืคืืืื ืืจืืื ื ืฉืงืจืขื ืืช ืืชื ืืขื ืืืืจืื. ืืื ืื, ืืืงืื ืืืฆืืืืจ ืืขืกื ืขื ืืฆืขืืื ืืืืืืืื ืฉืืืฆืขืชื ืืื ืืืืื ื ืฉืชืืื ืืชืืืฉืฉืืช ืฉืชืืคืฉืจ ืืืคื ืืืฆืืงืืชืืื, ืืคื ืฉืืชืืจืจ ืืื ืืืจื ืืืืืจืืช".
ืืื ืขื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืจืง ืืฉืชื ื ืืื ืืืฉืืืื. ืืฉืชื ื ืืืจ ืืืืช ืืชื. ื ืชืงืืช ืืืชื ืืืืช ืืกืจืช ืชืงืืื.
"ืืคื ื ืฉื ืื ืืชืืช ืขื ืืชืืคืขื ืืืืช ืฉื ืืฉื ืื ืืืคื. ืืืื, ืืืืจ ืืืืืจืืช, ืื ื ืืฉ ืืฉืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืงืืืืื ืฉืืฆืืืื ืฉื 6.6% ืงืฉืืจื ืืืืจืื ืฉืื ื ืขืฉืืชื. ืืืงื ืงืืืืื ืฉืืฉ ืืฉืื ืคืืื ืืืืืื-ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืืชืื ืกืืช. ืืื ืืืื ืืืช, ืืชืงืืคืช ืืขืจืืช ืืืืืจืืช, ืืืงืืื ืืืืืจืช ืืชืืืืกื. ืืขืืจ ืฉืื ื ืืจ. ืืขืงืืืช ืกืคืื ืื ืชืงืฉืืจืชืืื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืคืืื ืืกืืืืช, ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืชืืืงื ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืื ืืืืจ ืืื ืืฉืืจ ืืืื ืขืืืืืช ืืขืืืช. ืขื ืื ืืชืืฆืืืช ืืื ืืืืขืืช ืืจืืฉ".
ืืืขืช ืืจืืฉ ืฉืชืคืกืื?
"ืืืขืชื ืืืช ืืืืฉืื ืืคื ื ืืืืืจืืช. ืื ืืื ืืืืง ื ืื ืื ืืกืืืืืื".
ืื ื ืืืืช ืืช ืื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืชืื ืืืืขื ืฉืืื ืฉืื ืชืงืืื, ืฉืื ืืืื?
"ืื".
ืืจืืฉืช ืฉืืชื ืืกืืื?
"ืืชืงืฉืืจืช? ืืืืืื. ืืื ืื ืื ืืืฉ. ืื ืฉืืื ืืืฉ ืืื ืฉืืคืขื ืืื ืืื ืืืช ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืกืืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืื ืื ืืื ื ืกืืคื ืขื ืืืจื".
ืืืื, ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืฉืืจืชื ืืช ืงืืืื?
"ืืื ืกืคืง. ืืื ื ืืื ืืจืืืื, ืืื ืฉืื ืจืืื ื ืืช ืจืืืื ืืืื ืืืขืืืช ืืขืืืืืช ืืขืืืืช ืืืืช. ืจืืื ื ืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืื ืฉื ืชืงืฉืืจืช ืขืืฉืื ืื ืืืช ืืื ืืฉืจืช ืืื ืืช ืืื. ืืืจืืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืกืืืืื ืืืฆืืจ ืืืช ืืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืช ืืืืืจืืช, ืืืืื ืืืืช ืงืืืขืช".
ืืืจืืฉื ืฉืื ืืืืขืื ืืืชื ืฉืืื ื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื?
"ืืชื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืชื ืขืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืืืื. ืืืฆืจืื ืืฆื ืฉืืื, ืืืืื ืขื ืฉืืืืข ืืืืฉ ืืจืข ืืื, ืื ื, ืื ืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืขืื ื. ืืืืื ืืคืขืจืื ืืืืจืชืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืฉื ืขืฉืจืื ืฉื ื. ืืืฉืืืืื ืืืืืืื ืืช ืืขืืืื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืื ื ื ืื ืกืชื ืืืืฆืจ, ืืืืืื ืขืืื ืืืชืจืกืง ืืื ืืืจืื ืืื ื. ืงืจื ืืช ืืคื ืกืื ืขืืื ืืงืจืืก. ืืฆืืืื ืืืชื ืืื ืืก 1.3%. ื ืืื ืื ืง ืืฉืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืคื ื ืคืฉืืืช ืจืื ืฉื ืื ืง ืืจืืื. ืืืฆื ืืื ืขื ืกืฃ ืืื ืืืคืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืขืื ื ืืื ืืชืจืื ืืืขืืืง ืืฆืืจื ืืืืืื, ืืืืืื ื ืืืื ื ืงืืจืกืื. ืืช ืื ืื ืื ืืืจื. ืืช ืื ืื ืืืฉืืฉื. ืขืืืืชื ืืช ืืืฆืืืืช ืืืืคื ืืืืื ืืืจืืฉืข".
ืื ืจืง ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืชื ืืื ืื. ืื ืื ืฉื ืืขืกืงืื ืฉืืืชื ืืืคืืช ืืืขืฉืจืช ืคื ื ืืกืืคื ืฉื ืืืจ ื ืืื.
"ืื ื ืื ืืืืข ืื ืื ืฉื ืืขืกืงืื ืคื ื ื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืฆืื ืืฆืื. ืืืขื ืืืฉ ืืื ืื ืืชืืืฆื ืืฆืื. ืืืขืชื ืืจืืฉ ืฉืจืืื ืืืืงืื ืขื ืืืฉืชื ืืืืื ืืช. ืืื ืืืืชื ืืฆืคื ืฉืืืืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืืืืืจื ืื ืื ื ืืืืงืื ืขื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืื ืชืืืืื ืืืืฉืชื ืืืืืืืช. ืืืืชื ืืฆืคื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืืงืืืืช ืฉืืืืช ืืืืจื ืฉืื ื ืืจืกืชื ืืช ืืืืื ื ืืืื ืื ืฉืืงืื ืืืืืจ ืฉืื ืื ืื. ืฉืืื ืกืคืื ืคืืคืืืืกืื ืฉืืื ื ื ืืืงืื. ืืื ืื ืื ืงืจื. ืืืืงื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืืืฆืื ืืืฉืจืื ืฉืขืฉื ืืืช. ืืื ืืงืืืืช ืืขืกืงืื ืืืืืขืช ืืืื ืืช ืืืืช ืืืขื ืืฃ ืืื ืื ืงื. ืืืื ืืื ืืื ืืฉืฉ. ืื ืจืื ืืช ืืกืงืจืื. ืื ืจืื ืืื ื ืืฉืืช ืืจืื. ืื ืจืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืื".
ืืฉ ืื ืชืืืฉื ืฉื ืืื ืืืคืื ืืืคืืืช ืืืื?
"ืื. ืืงืืฉืชื ืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืืืื ืืขืืืืช ืคืจื, ืืืื ืืืืืืช, ืืื ืืืฆืื ืืช ืืืืืช ืืืืื ื. ืืื, ืื ืืื ืื. ืืฉืชื ืืืืื ืขืืืงื. ืืืืขืืช ืืชืืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืืื ืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืืคืจืืคืกืืจืื ืฉื ืืืื ื ืืืืืื, ืฉืืื ื ืืืืขืื ืืฉืืงื ืื ืืืืืื ืืชืืื ืืืื".
ื ืคืืขืช.
"ืืืืืื ืฉื ืคืืขืชื. ืื ื ืื ืืื. ืื ืืชืืืืืชื ืืื ืฉืื ื ืืื ืื ืื ืื ืืืฉืื ืืจืืขื ืืืื. ืืืฉ ืืืฉืื. ืื ืจืื ืืืื ืืจืก ืืืืืื ืฉืืื ืื ืื ืืืง ืืื ืื ืืืคื ืขื ืืื ืื ืฉืื ืื ืืกืืืืื ืืืชืืืจ ืขืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ ืืชืืืจืชื ืขื ืืืื ืืจืก ืืืืฉื ืฉืื. ืืืืชื ื ืื ืืืืืจืื ืฉืื. ืืื ืืืฆืื ืืช ืืืืืช ืืฉืจืื ืืืืชื ืืืื ืืฉืคืื ืขื ืื ืื ืคืืืืื. ืื ืคืืืืื ืฉืื. ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ืื ืฆืืคืืชื ืฉืืฉืคืื ืืช ืืื. ืื ืฉืฆืืคืืชื ืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืฉืคืื ืืช ืืื".
ืืชื ืืืื.
"ืืฉ ืืื. ืื ื ืื ืืชืืืกืก ืื. ืืฉ ืจืืขืื ืฉื ืืจืืจืืช ืืื ืืจืืจืืช ืื ืชืืจืืช ืืืจ. ืื ืชืืจื ืืช ืืคืฆืขืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืชืืฉืืจ ืืชื ืืขืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืฉืชืื ืืื ืื ืืื. ืืืืช ืืืื".
"ืืจืืขืื ืฉืืื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืืจืืฃ ืืคื ืื ืื ื ืืชืคืงื ืืืื"
"ืืฉ ืื ืืช ืื ืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉืืกืืฃ ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืื ืืืช ืืจืื ืืช ืืืืช" (ืฆืืืื: ืื"ืฆ)
"ืื ื ืื ืกืืืง. ืื ืืืื ืืืขื ืืจืืืืช, ืืื ืื ืืืืืช ืชืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืขืืจืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืืคื ืืืืช ืืขืจื ืฉื ื-28 ืืืจืฅ ืืืฉืจ ืขื ืฆืื ืืืืืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืืชืจืกืง?
"ืืืืชื ืืืืช ืืืจืื ืืชื ืืืื ืขื ืืฉืชื, ืฉื ื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืจืื ืืืืื".
ืืืชืืืฉื?
"ืงืฉื. ืืื ืื ืืขืืงืจ ืืจืืืช ืืช ืื ื ืืงืื ืืืื ืืืช ืืืื ืขื ืคื ืื ืฉื ืื ื ืืืืืจ".
ืืฉืืช ืฉืืืื ืื ืืกืืฃ? ืฉืืืงืจืฉืื ืืืื ืืืจ ืื ืชืงืื?
"ืืืืงื ืืจืืขืื ืืืื ืฉืืื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืืจืืฃ ืืคื ืื ืื ื ืืชืคืงื ืืืื. ืืืืชื ืงืจ ืจืื ืืฉืงื. ืืืฉืืื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืจืืืข ืืช ืืืื. ืืขืืืจ ืืฆื ืฉืขื ืืืจ ืืืืชื ืืื ื ืืชืขืจืืื. ืื, ืื ืืฉืืชื ืฉืื ืืกืืฃ. ืืฉ ืื ืืช ืื ืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉืืกืืฃ ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืื ืืืช ืืจืื ืืช ืืืืช. ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืืืืง ืื ื ืขืฉื ืืื. ืื ืืืืช ืงืจื ืืืืืื".
ืื ืงืจื ืืืืืื?
"ืืฉืจืื ืืคืื ืืืื ืืื ืืขืื ืืืืืืืื ืืืืงืื ืืขืืื. ืืฆืืืื ืฉื ืืื ืืก 1.3% ืืฆืืืื ืฉื 6.6% ืืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื - ืืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืขืืื. ืืื ืืืื ื ืืชืงืืืช ืืขืืื ืฉืฉืื ืชื ืืืืื ืืืืืจืืช ืืื ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช".
ืืฉืืขืืจ ืืฆืืืื ืืื ืืืื ืืืชืืื?
"ืืืืืื, ืืื ืจืง ืื ื ืชืืื ืืืืื ืืืช ืฉืืืืืชื. ืื ืืืืคืื ืฉืืืชื ืืืืืชื ืื ืชืืืื, ืืฉืจืื ืชืฆืื ืืงืฆื ืฉื ืฉืืฉื ืขื ืฉืืขื ืืืืืื ืืฉื ื ืืื ืืืช ืืขืฉืจ ืืฉื ืื ืืงืจืืืืช. ืคืืจืืฉ ืืืืจ ืืื ืืืคืืช ืืชื"ื ืืขืฉืืจ. ืืืืื ืฉื ืจืืข ืืจืืืืื ืืืืจ ื-2016. ืืืช ืืืืืืืืช ืืืืืืืืช ืืขืืื".
ืืชื ืืืืช ืืืืื ืื ืกืืงืช ืืืฉืง ืืืฉืจืืื?
"ืืืื, ืืืื ืฉืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืคื ืืืืืื ืืืืืืืจ ืืกืื ืืคืืจื ืื ืืืืืืจ ืืงืืื (ืกืื ืืฉืืืงืื ืืืชืขืืจืจืื). ืืืขื ืื ืฉืืืฉื ืฉืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืฆืืืื. ืืืืืืจืื ืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืื ืื ืืื ืขืื ื ืืคื ื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืื ืืืคืืช ืฉืืง. ืืืฉืจ ืืฉ ืฆืืจืืฃ ืฉื ืฉืืง ืืืคืฉื ืขื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืืืื, ืืฉืืื ืื ืืืืื. ืืืื ื ืืืืจืชื ืขื ืืฉืื ืืืจืื. ืืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืฉืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืืก ืืื ืืฉืื ืฉื ืืืืืจ ืืฆืืืืจื ืืืื ืืจืื ืฉื ืืืืืจ ืืขืกืงื ื-56:44 ื-50:50. ืืืจืืช ืืกืงืืืจ ืืฆืืืืจื ืื ืืชืืช ื-40% ืืืกืจืช ืืืฃ ืืืขืืจืืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืช ืืืืกืืื ืืคื ื ืชืืจืืช ืืืืื ืืืชื ื ืื ืืืชื ืฆืืืื ืฉื ืฉืืฉื-ืฉืืขื ืืืืืื ืืฉื ื ืืฉืจ ืชืืฆืื ืืืชื ื ืื ืืจืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืืืื".
ืืืคืขืจืื? ืื ืืฆืืง ืืืืจืชื?
"ืฉืืื ืืืืืจืื ื. ืืืฉืืืื ืื ืืฆืจืื ืืืจ ืืืื ืขื ืืื ืื ืืข ืืฆืืืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืืข ืืฉืืขืืจ ืืขืื ื ืื ืืื ืืขืืื ืืชืื ืฉืืืฉ ืื ืืจืืข ืฉื ืื".
ืื ืื ืื ืืฆืืืช ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ, ืืืคื ืืื ืืืช ืืขืืช? ืืื ืืืขืช ืืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืื ืื?
"ืชืืื ืืืืชื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืื ืืกืคืื. ืื ืื ืืืื ืืกืคื ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืกืคื ืืืืื ื. ืื ืืืฆืืชื ืืกืฃ ืฉืื ืืื ืื. ืืืื ืืืืืช ืฉืืืืชื ืฆืจืื ืืืืง ืืช ืืืง ืืืืืืืช ืืืืจืชืืืช ืืฆื ืฉื ื ืืืงืื ืืืชืจ. ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืขืืืจื".
ืืืืชื ืืืชืคืืจืืช. ืืืื ืืืืืจ ืืื ื ืจืืืช ืืื ืืืขืืช ืืคืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉื ืื ืืืื ืื. ืื ืื ืขืช ืืช ืืืชื ืชืงืืช, ืืืคืฉืจืช ืืช ืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืฉืืืช ืืขืฆืื ืืช ืจืืฉืืช ืืืืฉืื.
"ืื ื ืื ืืชืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืจ. ืื ื ืืืฉื ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืื ื ืคืืืืืืงืื. ืื ื ืจืืื ืืช ืื ืืื. ืื ื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืฆืขืื ืฆืจืื ืื ืงืื ืื ืืื ืืฆืืืืช ืืชืคืชืืช. ืืื ืื ื ืื ืกืืืง. ืื ืืืื ืืืขื ืืจืืืืช, ืืื ืื ืืืืืช ืชืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืขืืจืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืขื ืืขืื ืืืื ืืจืืืืื ืืขื ืืขืื ืืืฉืคืขื. ืืกืจืื ืื ืืืฉืืจืื ืืกืืืืื ืืืกืจืื ืื ืงืืฉืืจืื. ืื ืืฉ ืืืื ืืืฉืืง ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืืฉืืง.
"ืื ืฉืืชืืจืจ ืืื ืฉืืืืืืช ืืืจืืืง ืจืืืช ืืื ืืืกืจืื ืืคืืืืืืงืื. ืืฉืืืืจืชื ื-1996 ืขื ืืชืืื ืืืช ืืืจืขืื ืืืช ืฉื ืืืจืื ืืฆืืืืจ ืื ืืชืืืจ ืืื. ืืฉืืืจืชื ื-2003 ืฉื ืืื ืืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืืืฉืืฉืืืช ืืขืืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืืืงืืฅ. ืืื ืขืืฉืื, ืืฉืื ื ืืืืจ ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืืืืืง ืืช ืืขืื ื ืชืื ืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื, ืืชืงืฉืื ืืืืืื ืื. ืืฆืืืืจ ืืชืงืฉื ืืืขืจืื ืคืจืืื ืืืืช ืืจืืืืช ืืืื".
ืื ื ืืกื ืืฉืื ืืช ื ืชื ืืื (ืืืื ืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืชืคืชื)
ืื ืืืกืืืก. ืืืืืจ ืฉ"ืื ืชืืื ืื ืืขืืจืช ืกืืืืืืช ืื ืืฉื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืืืฆ'ืฆ'ื)
ื ืชื ืืื ืืฉืจืื. "ืขื ืืื ื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืฉืืืื ื ืืืื ืืชืื ืืฉืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืฉืื ืชืื ืชื ืืืืื ื ืืืฉืืช ืฉื ืืืฉ" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืืื ืกืื. "ืืื ืืืืจื ืขื ืืืง ืืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืคืืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืขืืคืจ ืงืจื ื)
ืืืืจืื ื ืืืืจืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืชืจ ืขื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื, ืืืืช ืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ. ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืฉืืชืช?
"ืืฉ ืืืฉืจืื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืืืืช ืืืืื. ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช ืืื ืืืื ืืืขืืืงื ืืงืฆื ืืกืืจืจ. ืืื ืืืืืจืื ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืืืื ืขื ืคื ืจืื ืืช ืืืืจื. ืื ืืืืจืื ืขื ืืงืฉืจ ืืื ืืืจ ืืืจืื ืืืื ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืกืืจ ืื ื'ืื ืืื ืืจืืืฉ ืืช ืชืืืืชื. ืืื ืืชืืคืขื ืืื ืืื ืืื ืืจืืช ืืืกืืช. ืื ืืฉืืื ืืชืจืืฉืช, ืืืืงืฃ ืืืืืจื ืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืืขื ืฉืืื ืจืง ืงืฆื ืงืจืืื ืืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืขืฉืืจืืช ืืคืืืช ืืฉืืื ืื ืืฆืืช ืืขื ืคื ื ืืืื. ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืชืจ ืืืืจื ื ืืฆืืช ืืชืืช ืืคื ื ืืืื. ืขืืื ืืืขื ืื ืืืืจืื. ืขืืื ืืืขื ืื ืืืืขืื. ืืื ืืืืงื ืืื ืืืืืืื. ืืื ืืกืื ื ืืืืืชืืช".
ืขื ืื ืืชื ืืืืจ?
"ืื ื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืืคืงืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืืง ื ืืกืื ืืืขื ืืื ืฉืืฉืื ืื ืขื ืื ืืกืฃ. ืืจืื ืืกืฃ".
ืืชื ืืืืจ ืขื ืฉืืื. ืฉืืื ืฉื ืืืฉ.
"ืื. ืฉืืื ืืืขืืคืืช. ืฉืืื ืืืขืืจื ืฉื ืืืืืื ืื ืืืฉืืื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืืืืื ืื ืืืื ืงืืืื".
ืืชื ืจืฆืื ื? ืืชื ืืืืช ืืืขื ืฉืืืืืจื ืืืืืืช ืืจืืืืืช ืืืฉืง ืขืืืืื ืืฉืืื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืืืืื ืืืืื ืงืืืื?
"ืืชื ืืืืข ืืืื ืื ืืชืฉืืื".
ืืืฉืจืื ืฉื ืฉื ืืช ืืืืคืืื ื ืืกืื ืืืืืืืจืืื ืืืขืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืืืช ืชืืืจืช ืฉืืื?
"ืืงืืืขื ืฉืื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืืืืื".
ืืืืื ืขื ืคืื?
"ื ืืกื ืืืืื ื ืืจืืืืื ืืืื ืืฆืืืจืื. ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืฉื ื ืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืืชื. ืืฉืืืฉื ืืื ืฉืืง ืืื ืจืืื. ืืจืืืขื ืืื ืืืืจืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืืช ืืืืืืฉื ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืืงืืื. ืืชืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืืชื ืืืฆืขื ื ืจืคืืจืืืช ืฉื ืืืจืื ืืฉืงืืคืืช ืืฉืจ ืืืืืืช ืืืขื ืืืืืืื ืืช ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืฉืืชื. ืืื ืื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืฉืืง ืืื ืจืืื ืื ื ืชื ื ืื ืืืชืงืจื. ืืื ืืืงืจื. ืื ื ืืขืจืื ืฉืืืืงืฃ ืืืืื ืฉื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืื ืืชืืื ืื ืื"ื. ืชืืืจืช ืืืื ืงืจืงืข ืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืืืจืืื ืคืืืืืืงืื ืื ืคืงืื ืขืฉืื ืืงืื ืืืืืื ืื. ืืื ืืฉ ืืขืื ืื ืืชืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืืช. ืืฉืืืื ืืืงืืื ืื ืืืขื ืืืืคื. ืืื ืืงืื ืฉืื ืืจืืืืืืืช ืืืืื ืืืฉืงืืคืืช ื ืืืื ืืฉ ืืขืื ืงืฉื ืฉื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืื ืืืืืง ืืคื ืฉืืืจื ืืงืืื ืงืืข: ืื ืืื ืืฉืืืช, ืืืื ืืืืื ืืฉืืืช ืืืืคื ืืืืื".
ืื ืื ืข ืืื ืืขืฆื ืืืฉื ืืขื ืืื ื ืงืจืงืขืืช ืืื ืจืืื?
"ืืืฉื ืืืชื ืขื ืฉืจืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืฆืืื, ืขื"ื ืืฆืืง ืืืืื, ืขื ืืื ื ืฆืืื, ืขื"ื ืื ืืืกืืืก, ืฉืื ืชืืื ืื ืืขืืจืช ืกืืืืืืช ืื ืืฉื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื. ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืฉืืืื ื ืืืื ืืชืื ืืฉืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืฉืื ืชืื ืชื ืืืืื ื ืืืฉืืช ืฉื ืืืฉ".
ืืืืืื ืืงืฆืืขืืื ืืชื ื ืืฉื ืื ืงื ืืคืืื, ืืื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืจืื ื ืืฆืจื ืชืืืฉื ืฉืื ืืชื ืืืฉืืช.
"ืืืขื ื ืืื ืืืฉ ืืงืืืืช ืืืชื. ืืื ืืื ืืกืคืื ืื ืืืจืืฉืขืื ืืืฉืงืจืืื ืืืืชืจ ืฉืืืืืื ืื ืืช ืืฆืืืืจ. ืืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื ืืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ ืืืฉืชื ืขื ืืืืช ืืืืืืจืืื, ืขื ืืืจืืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืื ืขืชืง, ืืืขืืื, ืืขืืื, ืื ืืืง ืื ืจืื".
ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืืฉืืช ืฉืื ื ืืืข ืืืงืฉืจืื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ืขืฆืื ืขื ืืขืื ืืื?
"ืืคืื. ืืืืื ืืขืืื ืื ืืื ืืขืื ื ืืืื ืืืืืืชื. ืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืจืชื ืืช ืืืื ืืจืกืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืคืขืื ืืขืชืื ืงืจืืืืช ื ืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืกืงืื ื, ืื ืฉืืื ืืืืจื (ืืฉืคืืช ืืจืื ืคืื) ืืื ืื ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืคืืืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ื ืืช ืืืง, ืืืจืื ืฉืื ืฉื ืืืฉื ืืืืจื ืืคืกืืื ืืืืื ืื ืฉืืื (ืืืื ืกืื) ืกืืืข ืืืจืืื ืืคืืืืืื. ืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืื ืืื ืงืื ืืืืืืื ืืื ืื ืืืจ ืฉืื ืื ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืจืคืืจืื ืฉืืืืืฉื ืืืื ืืช ืืื ืงืื. ืื ืชืฉืื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืกืืืืชื ืืช ืชืคืงืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืช: ืืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืฉืคืืชื. ืื ื ืื ืืืื ืืืืจ ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืืจืืฉ ืขื ืื ืฉืื, ืืื ืืื ืื ืืขื ืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืจื ืืจืืื ืขืื ืืืจืืฉืืื, ืืฉืืื ืื ืง ืื ืืจืฉืื ืืืืืื, ืฉื ื ืืืืื ืงืื ืื ืืคื ืกืื ืฉื 4,000 ืฉืงื ืืืืืฉ. ืคืืืืืืงืื ืืฉืจ ืื ืืืฉืืืจืชื ืืื ื ืืืชื. ืงืืืืชื ืชืฉืืื ืขื ืกืคืจืื ืฉืืชืืชื, ืืื ืื ืืืื ืชื ืฉืืืชืจ ืื ืืขืฉืืช ืืืืชื ืชืื ืืื ืืื ืืคืืืืืืื. ืืฆืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืชื ื ืจืง ืืืจื ืฉืคืจืฉืชื ืืืืืื ืืฆืืืืจืืื".
ืืืืืชื ืืขืืืืช ืืื ื ืืกื ืื ืคืขื ืืฉืื ืืืชื?
"ืคืขื ืืืช ื ืืกื ืืืฉืช ืืื. ืื ื ืขืฉื ืืชืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืจืืช ืจืื. ืืืืชื ืืืช ืขื ืืกืฃ ืืื ื ืคืกืง. ืื ื ืชืชื ืืื ืืืชืคืชื".
ืื ืืืืช ื ืขืชืจ ืืืฆืขื ืืืืช ืืืคื ืืืื ืขืฉืืจ?
"ืืืื".
ืื ืืฆืืข ืืช ืืฉืืื?
"ืขืืืจ ืืืื".
ืืชื?
"ืืชืืืืช ืืืื ืชื ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ. ืืืจืืช ืฉืื ืืืืืชื ืฉืืจืืจ, ืืืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงื ืืืฉืจืืืืช ืฉื ืืืื ื ืืกื ืืจืชืื ืืืชื ืืืืืืฉืื ืขืืกืงื".
ืืืืข ืื ืืชืืื ื ืช ืืืฉืืจื?
"ืืืฆืขื ืืืขืืจื ืืื ืืืืคื ืืชืืืื ืืืื. ืื ื ืชืชื ืื ืืืชืคืชื. ืขืฆืจืชื ืืืชื ืืคื ื ืฉืืื ืงืืืื ืืืืืงืืช".
ืืืืืจ ืื ืื ื ืืืืืื ืืื ืื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืืืจืื ืืืจืื ืืจืื ืฉืื ืืงืืืื ืืฆืขืืช ืืืกืื ืืื ืืคืจืงืื. ืืืื ืืืืื ืืขืื ืืื ืขื ืืฆืขืืช ืฉืืืืจืงืืืืืืืช ืฉืืื ืืืคืืืช.
"ืื ืืกืชื".
ืืฉืืืชื, ืืกืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืช ืขืฉืืจ?
"ืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืขืฉืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงื, ืืืื ืืืื ืืืชืขืฉืจ ืืืจื ืืคืืืืืืงื. ืืื ืคืืืืืืงืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืฉืคืื ืขืฉืืจื ืืืืืื ืืืื ืืคืืืืืื ืืืคื ืืขืฉืืจ, ืฆืจืื ืืขืืจืจ ืชืืืืืช".
ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืฉืจืื ืืืืืจื?
"ืื ืืฉืืขืืช ืื. ืจืื ืืช ืืืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืื ืืืืื ืช ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืื ืขื ืืืช ืืฉืื ืืืืืืฉ ืฉืืืฉืจ ืืืืืจ ืขื ืืงืฉืจ ืืื-ืฉืืืื, ืจืื ืืขืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืงืฉืจ. ืื ืจืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืฉืืืื ืืื ื ืืงืฉืจ. ืืื ืืื ืงืืืฆื ืงืื ื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืื ืืืื ืงืืืฆื ืืกืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืฉืืืื ืืฉ ืงืฉืจ ืฉืกืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืขื ืื ืื ื ืืืืจ ืฉืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืชื ืืกืจืื. ืืื ืืื ืจืืืืื ืขื ืืืฉืง. ืืื ืืืืืื ืขื ืืฆืืืื, ืืขืืืื ืืืชืคืชื ืืืืืื ืืจืื ืืื ืืื. ืืจืื ืืื ื ืืื ืืืื ื ืขืฉืืจื ืืืื ืฉืงืคืื ืืืืืืช ืืืื ืฉืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืชื ืื ืืืืจื. ืืจืืข ืฉืืืืื ื ืฉืืงืขืช ืืืืฆื ืฉื ืฉืืืชืืช ืงืฉื, ืืืื ืงืฉื, ืืฆืืช ืืื ื".
ืืืืข ืงืจืืื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืฉืืชื ืืืืจ ืขืืื ืื ื ืืฉืฃ ืขื ืืืื?
"ืฉื ื ืืืืืช ืืืืจืื ืืืฉืืฃ ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช. ืืืื ืืื ืืขืจืืืช ืืืืืคื ืฉื ืืืืง ืืืฉื ื ืืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช. ืืืืื ืืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืขืืืงื ืืช ืืืืจืชื ืืื ืืืืจืช ืื ืืืขืจืืช ืืืืืคื ืืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืช. ืืขืื ื ืืกืคืช ืืื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืกืืืืื ืืงืืืื ืืกืื ืืช ืืคื ื ืืฉืืคืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืฉืืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืงืืืื ืื'ื ืื ืคืืืืืืช ืจืฆืืื".
ืืชื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืืชืจืื, ืืืกืื ืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืชืืช ืฉืืื ืื ืืืจืืืืืฅ' ืืฆืืข ืืชืช ืืืจืืื ืฉืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช?
"ืื ื ืืืฉื ืฉืชืคืงืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ื ืืืชืจื ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืื ืืืชืืจ ืืืชื. ืืื ื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืืชืืช. ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืขืืืจื ื ืืกื ืืืื ื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืืืช ืชืืืจืช ืืกืฃ. ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืช ืฆืจืื ืืืฉืืฃ. ืืืืจืื ืืื ื ืงืืื ืืืืืื. ืืื ืืืืืข ืืกืชืืื. ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืืืขืื. ืืืจืื ืืืืคืช ืืืง ืืืืขืื. ืืืื ืืืช ืืืืฉืืชืื ืืื ื ื ืขื ืฉืื. ืืฉ ืืืฉืจืื ืชืืคืขื ืืจืืจื ืฉื ืืืฉืืช ืืืื ืื".
ืืชื ืืขืฆื ืืืขื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืฉืืช ืืืชืืืื ืื ืกืืื ืืงืื ืืกืื ืืช.
"ืืคื ืืื ืืขืืืชืื ืืื ืฆืจืื ืืงืื ืืกืื ืืช".
ืืืชื ืืืขื ืฉืื ืื ืขืืืช ืืืื.
"ืืชื ืืืืข ืฉืื".
ืืขืฆื ืืชื ืืืฉืื ืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืืืคืื ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช.
"ืืืง ื ืืืจ ืืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ื ืืืื ืืช ืชืคืงืืื ืืขื ืืื ืื".
"ืืืื ืชืืืื ืืื ืืืืืืช? ืืืฉืื ืืขืืื ืืืืจ ืืงืืืื ืฉืงืืขื ื?"
"ืื ื ืื ืืฆืคื ืฉื ืืืืฉ ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืจืฆืืขื ืืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืืืฉ ืืืฉืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืคืช ืฆืคืื ืืฉืืืจืื ืืืงืขืช ืืืจืื. "ืื ืื ื ืืงืืงืื ืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืจืืงืื ืฉื ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืื" (ืกืคืง: ืืืจืฅ) (ืืืฆื ืืืืืื)
ืืชื ืขืืืื ืืืฉื ืฉืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืชื ืืขืืช?
"ืชืืืื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืขื ื ืืคื ื ืืืฆืืขื ืฉืืื ืชืืื ืืืฆืืืืช ืืืืกืื ืืื ืื ื ืืืื ืืคืืกืืื ืื. ืื ืืขื ื ืฉืืื ืชืกืืืข ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืชืืจืื ืืืจื ืขื ืืฉืจืื. ืืขืืืช ืืืช, ืืืจื ืืื ื ืืขื ื ืฉืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืชืืืง ืืช ืืืืืก, ืชืงืจื ืืช ืืงืกืืืื ืื ืืฉืงืืื ืืชืืคืฉืจ ืืื ืกืช ืืขืจืืืช ื ืฉืง ืืืฉืืช ืืฉืืืื ืฉืืคืื ื. ืืืืจ ืื ืืชื ืื ืฆืืง".
ืืืืืฉืืื? ืืชืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืช?
"ืืืื ืืืฉืืื? ืืืื ืชืืืื ืืื ืืืืืืช? ืืืฉืื ืืขืืื ืืืืจ ืืงืืืื ืฉืงืืขื ื? ืืืจืืช ืฉื ืืฉื ื ืืช ืขืื ืขื ืืกื ืืืืืจ ืืืืจืื, ืืคืืื ืืืืืื ื ืืืืืื ืืืืชืจ ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืฆืืืจ ืฉืืืืืืฉ ืฉื ืขืื ืืกืชืืื".
ืื ื ืืืืืจื ื ืกืข ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืืขืช ืืงืคืืืื. ืขืื ืฉื ื ืืืงืืจืื ืืืื ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืจืืช ืชืืืจ ืืงื ืืืืจ ืืืืื ืืงืืข ืฉื ืืฉืจืื.
"ืืฉ ืื ืกืคืงืืช ืืขื ืืื ืื. ืืื ืืงืจื, ืื ืฉืืื ืืขืื ื ืืืจ. ืื ื ืื ืืฆืคื ืฉื ืืืืฉ ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืจืฆืืขื ืืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืืืฉ ืืืฉืืืื. ืื ืื ืืงืจื. ืื ื ืืืืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืื. ืืื ืขืืฉืื ืื ืื ื ืฆืจืืืื ืืืฉืื ืื ืื ืื ื ืขืืฉืื ืงืืืื, ืกืืืื ืขื ืืืืืื. ืืืืืจื ืืืืจ ืขื ืคืื ืื ืื ืืืืืืื ืฉืืขืืจ ืืืืจ ืขื 2010. ืคืืจืืฉ ืืืืจ ืืื ืคืื ืื ืฉื ืฉืืขืื ืขื ืืื ืืืฃ ืื ื ืืื ืืืชืืื, ืืืฆืื ืฉื ืขื ืืื ืืืืืืจื ืฉืงืืื - ืฉืขืืื ืืืืื ืฉื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืขืชืื ืฉืื ื ืืืขื ืืกืจ ืฉืืจ, ืฉืื ืืคืจืืช ืืืืืืกืืืช ืงืืืืช ืืคืืขื ืืืจ ืืขืช. ืืื ื ื ืฉืืืืื ืขื ื-98% ืืืคืืกืืื ืื. ืืืืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืืืืช ืืงื ืื ืกืืื ืื ืชืืื. ืจืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืจ ืื: ืื ืชืืื. ืืื ืืงืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืืืืช ื ืฆืืจื ืืืืืจ ืืงืืื 67', ืืื ืื ืืืืจื ืชืืื ืืืงืืช ืืืืืืืช. ืืขืื ื ืืืง ืืืืื ืืช ืืขืืื ืืคืืื ืงืืื 67' ืืื ื ืืืืืืืืื. ืื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืงืจื ืืื ืฉื ืืฆืื ืกืืืื ืขืชืง ืืื ืืืขืืืจ ืืชื ืืืื ืืืืขื ืืืช ืืืืขื ืืืจืช ืชืื ืืื ืจืืกืืง ืืืืื, ืืืื ืื ื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืืืืคื. ื ืืจืื ืืื ืฉืื ืื ืืชืืืื ืืขืชืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืคืืกืืื ืืช ืื ืืืฉืืจื ืืืืื ื ืงืืคืื ืืืฉื ืืืชื ืขื ืฉืืื. ืขื ืืกืืจ ืงืืข. ืฉืืจื ืืช ืื ืืงืืคืื ืคืืืจื ื ืขื ืืฉืืืื ืกืชื ืื, ืกืชื ืื. ืืื ืืืฉืื, ืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืืืื ืชืืืืช".
ืืชื ืจืืื ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืกืืจ ืงืืข ืขื ืืคืืกืืื ืื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืื?
"ืื ืื ืขืื ืืืจืื ืืชืขืฆืืช. ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืชืคืืจืง ืืขืืฆืืชื ืืชืฉื ื ืืืืื ืื ื ืืืืื ืฉืืื ืจืืื ืืขืืื ืืขืจืื ืืืืืืช ืืฉืคืืืื ืืชืืืงื. ืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืคืืกืืื ืืช. ืืืชืื ืฉืืชืืฆืื ืืืืชืฉื ืฉื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืคืืกืืื ื, ืืืืืก ืืืืก. ืืืฉืจ ืจืื ืืคืืกืืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืื ืฉืื ืฆืจืืืื ืืืืืจ ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืกืืืืืช ืืฉืืื ืฉืื ืืืช ืงืจื ืืคืืงืืืคืื ืขื ืืืืื ื ืืืืืืืช, ืืืื ืืืจื ืืืืืช ืืคืฉืจื, ืืืื ืื ื ืคืจืื ืจ".
ืืืคืจืื ืจ ืืคืืกืืื ื ืืจืืื ืชืกืืื ืืืกืืจ ืืืื ืืจืฅ ืืืืืื ืืฉืืืจืื?
"ืืช ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืช ืืืขืืจืื ื ืฆืืจื ืืฉืืืจ ืืืืื ื ืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืคืืืชื ืฉื ืืฉืื ืืคืืกืืื ื ืืืกืืก ืืืืฉ ืฉืืกืื ืืช ืขืฆื ืงืืืื ื".
ืืืงืื. ืืื ืืื ืชืกืืื ืืงืื ืืช ืืขืืงืจืื ืฉื ืืืืงืช ืืืจืฅ ืขื ืืกืืก ืฉื ืชืืื ืืช ืืืื?
"ืชืืื ืืช ืืืื ืืืจืืืช. ืื ืื ื ืืงืืงืื ืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืจืืงืื ืฉื ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืื. ืื ืื ื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืืจืื ืืืืืืจื".
"ืืขืืืช ืืชืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืื ืืช ืขืืืื ืืฆืืฅ ืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืช"
ื ืฉืื ืืืจืื, ืืืืื ืืืืืื ื'ืื. ืืืจืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืขืืื (ืฆืืืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
"ืขืืื ื ืืืืืช ืขืจืืืื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉื ืืืืฅ ืืืื ืขื ืขืฆืื ื ืืืืืืช ืขืฆืื ื"
ืชืกืืื ืืงืื ืืช ืืจืขืืื ืฉื ืฉืชื ืืืื ืืช ืืฉื ื ืขืืื?
"ืื ืืืืืจ ืืจืขืืื. ืืืืืจ ืืืฆืืืืช ืืฉืื, ืืืืฆืืืืช ืื ื ืืืืจ".
ืืืืืจ ืื ืืชื, ืื"ืจ ืืืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื, ืืงืื ืืขืฆื ืืช ืืขืืืื ืฉืื ืชืืื ืืจืฅ ืืฉืจืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืกืืคื ืฉื ืืืจ ืืืฉืืื ืื ืืืจ ืืคืื ื ืืื ืืืืง ืืช ืืืจืฅ ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืืืืช-ืืืืงืจืืืช ืืืื ืืืื ื ืคืืกืืื ืืช.
"ืื ื ืื ืืขื ืืืืงืช ืืืจืฅ. ืื ื ืืืืจ ืื. ืื ืืืฆืืืืช ืฉื ืืฆืจื. ืื ื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืฉืขืื ืืืืืจ".
ืื ืื ืืชื ืืจืื ืคืืืช ืืื ื ืืื ืฉืืงืืื ืืืฉืื. ืืืชื ืืืืช ืฉืื ืื ืกืืื ืฉืืืชื ืืื ืกืืื ืฉืชืืื ืืื ื ืขืงืจืื ืืช ืืื ืืงืืืช.
"ืื ื ืื ืืืืฃ ืืืืืื ืจืืืืืืืืช ืืื ืกื ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืจืืืืจืื. ืื ื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืืชืงืืื ืฉื ืคืื ืื ืืื ืชืืืจื, ืืื ืืกืื ืืืชืืืื ืืืืฅ. ืืขืงืืืช ืืืชืคืชืืืช ืฉื ืืฆืืื ืืช ืคืื ืื ื ืืืฉืืืื. ืืฉืื ืืืชื ืืจืืจื ืคืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืฉ ืขืฆืืื. ืืฉืืื ืืกืื ืฉืืื ืคืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืฉืืื ืกืื ื. ืืคืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืขืช. ืื ืื ื ืืชืคื ืื ืืชืืฆืื ืืืืฅ ืฉื ืืืื ืฉืืื ื ื ืขืืฆืจ ืืืจื ืขืงืืจื ืืืืฉ ืงืืืฃ ืืื ืืขืฆืืจ ืืืจื ืขืงืืจื ืฉื ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืืจืื. ืืื ืืขื ืืืืช ืืืืฅ ืืื ืืจืช ืืกืื. ืืฉ ืื ืืฉืคืขื ืขืฆืืื ืขื ืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืืฉืื ืืืืืืฅ ืืืชื ื. ืขื ืื ืืื ืืื ืงืืจืื ืืฉืืื ืืื ืืจืืงืช ืืฉืืื. ืืื ืืื ืืชื ืืืืืื ืืื ืขืจืขืืจ ืืืืืืื.
"ืืขื ืืื ืืฉ ืืื ืืงืจื ื ืฉื ืืืืฉืช ืืจืฆืื ืืืืืื. ืืงืจื ืช ืืืืฉื ืืกืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืจืฆืื ืืืืื ื ืืื ืืืืื ืืืืคื ืืืชืจ ืืชื ืืืืชืจ ืงื ืื ืืื ืืืืืืช. ืืืฉืืื ืืืืืจื ืืืืชืจ ืฉืื ืืื ืืื ืืืจืื. ืื ื ืื ืืืฉื ืฉืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืืื ืืื ืชืืื ืืช ืืขืฉืืช, ืืื ืืจืืจ ืื ืฉืืื ืฉืืืงืช ืืช ืืื ืืืจืชืขื ืฉืื ื ืืื ืืืืืช ืงืืฆืื ืืื ืืืืืจื ื. ืืืฉืจ ืืฉืจืื ืืืืื ืขื ืืืฅ ืืฉืชืืงื, ืื ืกืืื, ืืขืงืืจื ืืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืื ืืชืื ืขืฆืื, ืืฉืืจ ืื ืงืื ืืจืืื ืืืืจื ืืชืืืื ืืื ืฉืืจ ืฉื ืืืืฉื. ืืืฆื ืืืจืืื ืฉืืืื ืื ืื ื ื ืื ืกืื ืืขืช ืฉืืจ ืืื ืืื ืจืข. ืืืื ืจืข".
ืขื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืจืืื ืืืชื?
"ืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืืืจ ืจืง ืขื ืืืจืื. ืืขืืืช ืืชืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืื ืืช ืขืืืื ืืฆืืฅ ืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืช. ืจืืื ืขืืืื ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืช, ืืื ืชืงืืคืช ืืืืืืืื ืขืืืืช ืืืกืชืืื. ืื ืื ื ื ืื ืกืื ืืขืืื ืืืฉ. ืื ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืขืืื ืืคื ื ืขืืื ืืืจ. ืืขืืื ืืืืฉ ืืื ืฆืจืื ืืืืืจ ืฉืื ื ืืขืื ืื ืฉื ืื ืืื ืฉืคืื".
ืขื ืื ืืชื ืืืืจ?
"ืืืื ื-19 ืืืชื ืืื ืืกืืืจืช ืืืฆืืื ืืืกืืช. ืืื ืืคื ืืื ืืช ืืืงื ืฉืืืชื ืืืื ืืืจืืคื ื-500 ืฉื ืืช ืืืืื: ืืืื ืืืืืข ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืกืืจืื. ืืืื ื-20 ืจืืชื ืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืืชืคืืฉื ืื ืืืจื ืฉื ื ืืืื ืืขืืื - ืื ืืฆืืื. ืืงืืืื ืืื ืืื ื ืืชืขืื ืืืืืข ืืื ืืฉื ืื ืืืื ืืืืจื ืืืืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืืื ืืืจืืืช ืืืคืืืช ืืื ืืขืช ืืืืื ืขืืืืืช. ืืขืืืช ืืืช, ืืขืช ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืคื ื ืื ืฉื ืืืกืืื ืืืืคืจ ืืคืฉืจื ืืืื ืงืืื ืืืืืื ืืฆืืจื ืืืืคืืฃ ืืจืืืื ืืืื ืืืจื ืขื ืื ืช ืืืืืืจ ืืืื ืคื ืืกืื ืฉื ืฉืืืื ืืืืกืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืขืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ืืืื ืืืชื ืืืกืืืื ืชืืื ืืจื ืืจืขืื ืืช, ืืขืืื ืืืื ืืขืืื ืืืจ. ืืื ืืฉืืช ืืืื ืชืขืืื ืื ืงืืื ืืืจืช ืืืืกืืืจืื. ืื ืฉืืื ืชืงืฃ ืืื ืืจืืช ืืืืขืฆืืช ืื ืืืื ืชืงืฃ ืืื. ื ืืฆื ืืช ืขืฆืื ื ืขืืืืื ืื ืืื ืืจืืจืื ืืืฉืื. ืื ืืื ืืชืืจ ืฉืืืืื ืื ืืืขื ืืฆืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืขืืื".
ืืืจืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืื ืืฉืืช?
"ืื. ืืืขืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืกื ืืจ ืืืงืืื ืืขื ืืืื ืืืขืจื ืชืืื ืืืจ ืขื ืืืจืืจืื. ืืชืจืื ืืืืคืฉ ืืขื ืืง ืืืืืืื ืืืืืืฆืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฆืืื ืืืชื ืืืขืจืืืช ื ืฉืง ืืืชืจ ืืชืงืืืืช. ืืืืื ืืขืช ืื ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืคื ื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉืืืื ืืช ื ืืฉืืืช ืืงื ืืืืช ืืฆืืืื ืืจืื ืื ืืฉืืืื ืืื ืืืฉืื ืคืฆืฆืืช ืืืื. ืื ืืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืฅ ืืจืขืื ื ืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืืขืจื ืืฉืชื ื ืืืงืฆื ืื ืืงืฆื. ืืื ืื ืื ื ื ืืฆืืื ืืขืช ืืจืืข ืืจืืื ืืืื ืืืืชื. ืฉื ื ืืืืืช ืืืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืืื ืืฉื ืขืืืืื ืืืืคืืฉ: ืืฆื ืืืคื ืืืืข ืืื ืืฉื ืืื ืฉืง ืืืจืขืื ื. ืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืกืืืจืืช ืืจืืข ืืื. ืืืื ืชืคื ืืช ืืชืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืช".
ืืื ื ืขืจืืื ืืขืืื ืืืืฉ?
"ืืืืฆืขืืช ืืกืืจืืืื ืืฉืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืืขื ืืืจืชืขื. ืืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืืช ืื ืฉืืขืืื ืืืืฉ ืืื ืืงืื ืืืืื ืืืืชื ืืฆืื. ืืื ืืืืฉืืช ืืืืืืช ืื ืฉืืืฉืจืื ืขืืฆืืืช ืืืืืืืช, ืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืฆืืืืืช ืืืืคืฉืจืืช ืื ืืืชืืืื ืขื ืืกืื ื. ืืืืืื ืืืฉืจืืืืช ืืืืฉื, ืืฆืืืืช ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืฆืช, ืืืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืคืจืืืงืืื ืืฉืื ืื ืื ืืจืฉืื ืืืื ืชื ื".
ืืื ืื ืืืืืจ ืืื? ืืื ืื ื ืืืจ ืขืืื ื ืืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืจืื ืืจืขืื ืืช?
"ืืฉืื ืคื ืื ืืืืคื ืื. ืืืืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืืจืขืื ืฉื ืืืจืื".
ืืื ืืืืจ? ืืื ืืจื?
"ืืืืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืืจืขืื ืฉื ืืืจืื".
ืืืงืืจืื ืช ืืืื ืชืงืคื?
"ืืืื ืื ืข ืืจืขืื ืืืจื ืืืช. ืืฉ ืื ืืจืืื ืืืจืืช ืืืฉ ืืืืืช ืืืจืื".
ืืฉ ืกืืืื ืืื ืืขื ืืืื ืืช?
"ืืืืชื ืฉืื ืื ืืืืชื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืื. ืืื ืขื ืืืช, ืืฉ ืืืคืฉืจ ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืจืืช ืืืฆืืช ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืื ื ืืืื ืืืืื".
ืืื ืืื ื ืืชืจ?
"ืื ืื ื ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืืชืืื. ื ืืกืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืื ืืืืช ืคืจืืืงื ืืจืขืื ืฉืืคืชื ื ืืืืขืืช ืืืขืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืฆืคืื ืืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืืฆืคืื".
ืืชื ืจืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืฉื ืืช ื-40?
"ืืืืื ืืื ืืื ืฉืืฉ ืื ื ืืืื ืืืื ื ืืืงื ืืืื ืขื ืืืืืืช ืืืงืืช ืืืื. ืืฉื ืืช ื-40 ืืขืืื ืืืืคืฉื ืืชืขืฉืช, ืืื ืืื ืขืฉื ืืืช ืืืจื ืฉืืืชื ื ืืืกืื ืืืจ ืคืงื. ืื ื ืืฉืืื ืข ืฉืื ืืคืขื ืืขืืื ืืชืขืฉืช ืืืชืืืจ, ืืื ืขืืื ื ืืืืื ืฉืืื ืื ืืขืฉื ืืืช ืืืจื ืฉืืืชื ื ืฉืื ืชืคืงืื ืืจืืืื. ืขื ืื ืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืช ืืจืืชืืช ืขื ืืืจืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืช ืขื ืืืจืืชืืช ืืืื. ืขืืื ื ืืื ืืช ืืืจ ืขืืฉืื ืืช ืืื ืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืฆืจ ืืช ืงืืืื ื ืืืืืื. ืขืืื ื ืืืืืช ืขืจืืืื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉื ืืืืฅ ืืืื ืขื ืขืฆืื ื ืืืืืืช ืขืฆืื ื".
ืืื ืฉืืฉื, 2 ืืืื ื 2006, 14:03 ืืืช: ืืจื ืฉืืื, ืืืจืฅ
ืื ืืืื ื ืชื ืืื, ืืจืืืื ืจืืฉืื ืืื ืืืืืจืืช, ืืชืืฉืื ืขื ืื ืฉืืืื ืื, ืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืื ื ืคืืกืืื ืืช ืืืคืื ืืืืจืขืื ืืืืจืื ื
ืื ืืื ืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืจืืืื ืืืืจืืช. ืืืืื ืืช ื ืืืจื ืืื ืืื ืืืืคืืืืฆืื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืืจื ืืืขืจืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืฉ ื ืืชื ืื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืืจื. ืืื ืืจืืข ืืืืจืืข ืื ืืืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืจ ื ืืืฉ. ืืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืืืชื ืืืฉืคืืข ืขื ืืชืืฆืื. ืืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืืืชื ืืืืื ืืช ืืกืืฃ ืืืืื ื ืืื. ืื ืืงืฉืืื ืื ืืขืช, ืืืจ. ืืื ืฉืื ืกืืืื ืฉืืฉืืืืืืจ ืื ืื ืืืจืขื ืืงืฉืืื ืื. ืืื ื ืืื ืืืช ืืืืจ ืืืืืจืืช. ืืืืจ ืืช ืฉืืฉ ืื ืืืืจ ืืืจื ืืชืืืกื ืืืืืจืืช.
ืื ืืื. ืฉืืืขืืช ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื. ืืืจ ืื ืืื ืืืกืชืื ืืงืจืืืช ืืกืืื ืืื ืืืืืื. ืืืจ ืื ืืชื ืชืง ืืืกืชืืจ ืืืชืื ืกืคืจ. ืขื ืฉืืคื ื ืฉืืืขืืื, ืคืชืืื ืืชืงืฉืจ. ืขืืฉืื, ืืืงืฉ, ืืื. ืืืืื ืืฉ ืฉืื ืชืื ืื ืฉื ืืฆืืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืฆืืืื ืืช ืฆืืงืชื ืืืืจ. ืืงืฉืืื ืฉืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืจ ืื ืื ืืชืื ืืืืงืืจืชื ืฉืื. ืืืคืจืืจืืืช ืฉื ืืืฉืืช ืงืืืื ืืืจืืช ืืื ืฉืื ืืจืืื ืืฉืื ืืืืืืช ืื ืขื ืืื. ืืจื ืื ืืื ืืืช ืืฉ ืืช ืืชืืื ื ืืืืงืืงื ืืื ืฉื ืื ืืืืืช. ืื ืืื ืืืช ืืฉ ืืืื ืฉืืขืืจ ืงืืื ืืืื ื. ืืืื ืืืื ืืฉืงื ืืืกืืืจื.
ื ืื ืืืื ืืช ืืขื ืืฉืฉืืข ืฉืื ืืืื ืขื ืืงื. ืงืฆืืืืช ืืืงื ื ืืืืืกืืืช ืฉื ืืืืชื. ืกื ืืชืจืืคืืช ืืืกืจ ืฉื ืืืื. ืืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืฉืชื ืืจืืืฉืื ืืืืงืื. ืืจืืืฉืื ืืขืื ืืื ืืื ืืืืง. ืืชืื ืขืฉืจืช ืืืคืื ืฉืงื ืฉืื ืืจืืืืืื ืืืงืืช ืืืฉืื ืชื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื. ืืชืื ืืฉืืฉื ืืืฆื ืื ืืชืจืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืขืื ืืช ืืืื ืฉื ืืืืืื. ืื ืขื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื ืืืฃ ืืฆืคื ืืืื ืฉืืฉืคืื ืขืืืืช ืชืืื? ืขื ืฉืืืฉื ืืืฆื ืืืฃ ืืฆืคื ืืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืช ืืืืืื ืืืืืช ืืืจืืื ืืฉืจืืืื ื ืืื ืื? ืืื ืื ืื, ืืื ืืื ืืื. ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืจืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืฉืื. ืืื ืกืชื ืื ืฉืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉืชืืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉืืืื ืืืจืื. ืื ืฉืื ืฉื ืชื ื ืืช ืื ืฉืื ืืขืื.
ืืื ืขื ืืืจืคืกืช ืฉื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืืจืืฉืืื, ื ืฉืืขืื ืื ืงืืืืช ืืืจืื. ืคืขื ืืืจ ืคืขื ืืฉืืื ืืืคืจืขืช ืขื ืืื ืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืืกืืจืืื ืืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืจืื ืืคืจืืงื ืืชืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืงืืืคืืจื ืื ืืืืงืฉืื ืจืง ืชืืื ื ืืืช. ืืืื ืืฉื ืืืืืขืช ืฉืืืจื ื ืืืฉ ืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืืืจ ืืืื ืืื ืขืืื, ืืืื. ืืืื ืืื. ืคืขืืืื ืืฆืืช ืืช ืืืืื ื ืืคืขืืืื ืืจืงื ืืืชื. ืืืื ืจืฉืขืืช ืื. ืืืื ืืคืืืช ืืืื. ืืืจื ืืืืืืืืกืื ืืืชืคืืฆืฆืื ืืืืช ืื ื ืฉืงื, ืืืจื ืฉืืืืืื ืืืขื ืงืจืกื ืืืืช ืื ื ืคืจืืื ืืืืื. ืืืืืงื ืืื ืฉืืืืช ืืื ืขืืืื ืืชื. ืขืืืื ืืืืื ืื ืื. ืืื ืืื ืฉืืขืฉืจืช ืืืชื ืืืื ืงืช ืืช ืืื ืืืช ืฉืืื ืืื ืชืงืขื ืื ืกืืื ืืื. ืืื ืืชื ืชืืืืจ, ืืืื. ืืืืื ืื ืฉืชืืืืจ.
ืฉืจื ืืืืืง ืขืืจื ื ืืชืื ืื ืืืื ื ืื ืืืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืฉืืจื. ืื ืฉื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืจืขืื ืืืืจืื ื ืืืฉืืง ืืืืจืื ืขื ืืืฉื ืขื ืืื ืืื ืื. ืืฉืืื ืขื ืขืชืื ืืฆืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืืืจืืจ ืืขื ืืื ืืคืจืืื ืืื ืฉื ืืืืืืช-ืขืืื-ืืฉืืจื. ืืื ืขืืืื ืืืขื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืจ ืื ืืืืืื. ืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืจืืจ. ื ืืื ืื ืฉืืื ืืฉ ืืืื ืฉืื ืื ืืฉืืืขืืช ืืืืจืื ืื. ืืืืคื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ื ืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืื ืืงืื. ืืืืคื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉืงืจื ืืืจ ืื ืืืืจ ืืืขืจืืช ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืช. ืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืืื ืืืืื ืฉื ืืฆืื ืืืชื. ืืื ื ืืืชื. ืืืืืื ืืืชื ืฉืืื.
ื ืชื ืืื ืชืืื ื ืขืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืืื ืืืื
ืงืืื ืืื ืขื ืคืจืก. ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืจืฆื ืืฉืืืข, ืืื ืืืื ืชืืืจ ืืืคืืจืฉ ืื ืฆืคืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืืืจืื (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืื ื'ืืืืื ืกืงื. ื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืืืจ ืืืกืืืจืื ืืชืืืืืื ืืืืงื ืขืืื
ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืืืืจื ืืืืืง ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืืฉืื ืืืื. ื ืชื ืืื ืื ืืืฉืฃ ืืช ืจืืฉืืชืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืฉืืืื ืืฃ ืฆืืืืืช ืืชืื ืื ืืื ืฉืืื ื ืฉื ืืคื ื ืฉื ื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืจืก ืืื ืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืจ ืืจืืฉืืช ืืืืฉืื ื-1996. ืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืื ืืืจ ืื. ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืืืืืจ. ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืจืฆื ืืฉืืืข, ืืื ืืืื ืชืืืจ ืืืคืืจืฉ ืื ืฆืคืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืืืจืื. ืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืืคื ื ืืืืื ืืชืืืืื, ืืื ืืฉืืื ืข ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืืืจืืงืืื ืฉืืืืกืืื ืืงื ืื ืืื ืืจืืข ืืืืฉ.
ื ืชื ืืื ืชืืื ื ืขืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืืื ืืืื. ืคืืืช ืืืืจ, ืคืืืช ืืชื ืฉื, ืืืชืจ ืงืฉืื. ืืชืืืฉื ืืืืจืกื ืืขืืืงื ืืืจ ืกืคืื ืืขืฅ ืฉื ืืืื ืืื, ืงืืฆืฅ ืืงืคืืื ืืช ืงืฆื ืืกืืืจ ืืืืืื ืืืกืืืจืืืกืืคืื. ืืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืฉืืืืช ืืืืืื ืืืืืืืช. ืืช ืืืื ืืืืง ืืขืืื. ืืชืืืคืืช ืืืืืช, ืืชื ืืฉืืช ืืชืจืืืืืช. ืืืคืขืชื ืืืืขืืืืชื ืฉื ืืืืืช, ืขืืืืชื ืืฉืงืืขืชื ืฉื ืืืืคืจืืืช. ืืืฆืืจืืฃ ืืื ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืงืจื-ืืืืืืื ืขื ืชืืืืื ืขืืืง ืืืกืืืจืืื. ื ืืื ืื ืงื ืจ ืืืืืื; ืฉืืื ื ืืื ืื ืืจืืื; ืืจืื ืืืืื, ืืื ื'ืืืืื ืกืงื ืืืืชื ืืจืืืืืืจ.
ืืื ืืื ืืืชืจ? ืื ืืจืืจ. ืืขืืืจ ืืื ืขื ืฉืืกืคืจ ืืืื ืืชืื ืืขืจืื ืืืืื. ืืขืืืจ ืืื ืขื ืฉืืืืืื ืืืืฉืฉ ืืืฉืืงื. ืืื ื ืืื ืฉื ืชื ืืื ืืชืืื ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืคืืื ืฆืืื ืืืืื ืืจืืง ืืื ืืืืืชื ืืืกืืื ืฉืืจืืื ืฉืจืื ืืืชืืจ ืืืจืื. ืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืืคืื ืขืืื. ืื ืจืืื ืืืชืจ ืืื ื ืืื ืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืืฉืขืช ืืืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืขื ืืคืชื ื ืืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืขืืืืื.
"ืืฉ ืืฉืื ืคืืื ืืืืืื-ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืืชืื ืกืืช"
ื ืชื ืืื ืืืืืืจื. "ืืชื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืชื ืขืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืื"ืฆ)
ืืืื ืืจื. "ืืขืงืืืช ืกืคืื ืื ืชืงืฉืืจืชืืื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืคืืื ืืกืืืืช, ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืชืืืงื ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืื ืืืืจ ืืื ืืฉืืจ" (ืฆืืืื: ืืืจืืื ืกืื ื, ืืืจืฅ)
ืืืืข ืืฉืืช ืืืืืจืืช 2006?
"ืืคื ื ืฉืืืืืื ืืชืคืื ืืคืขืืื ืืชืืื ื ืช ืฉื ืื ืฉืขืื ืืจืืฉื. ืืืชื ืืชืคืจืงืืช ืจืขืืื ืืช ืืืื ืคืืืื ืืจืืื ื ืฉืงืจืขื ืืช ืืชื ืืขื ืืืืจืื. ืืื ืื, ืืืงืื ืืืฆืืืืจ ืืขืกื ืขื ืืฆืขืืื ืืืืืืืื ืฉืืืฆืขืชื ืืื ืืืืื ื ืฉืชืืื ืืชืืืฉืฉืืช ืฉืชืืคืฉืจ ืืืคื ืืืฆืืงืืชืืื, ืืคื ืฉืืชืืจืจ ืืื ืืืจื ืืืืืจืืช".
ืืื ืขื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืจืง ืืฉืชื ื ืืื ืืืฉืืืื. ืืฉืชื ื ืืืจ ืืืืช ืืชื. ื ืชืงืืช ืืืชื ืืืืช ืืกืจืช ืชืงืืื.
"ืืคื ื ืฉื ืื ืืชืืช ืขื ืืชืืคืขื ืืืืช ืฉื ืืฉื ืื ืืืคื. ืืืื, ืืืืจ ืืืืืจืืช, ืื ื ืืฉ ืืฉืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืื ืฉืื ืงืืืืื ืฉืืฆืืืื ืฉื 6.6% ืงืฉืืจื ืืืืจืื ืฉืื ื ืขืฉืืชื. ืืืงื ืงืืืืื ืฉืืฉ ืืฉืื ืคืืื ืืืืืื-ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืืชืื ืกืืช. ืืื ืืืื ืืืช, ืืชืงืืคืช ืืขืจืืช ืืืืืจืืช, ืืืงืืื ืืืืืจืช ืืชืืืืกื. ืืขืืจ ืฉืื ื ืืจ. ืืขืงืืืช ืกืคืื ืื ืชืงืฉืืจืชืืื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืคืืื ืืกืืืืช, ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืชืืืงื ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืื ืืืืจ ืืื ืืฉืืจ ืืืื ืขืืืืืช ืืขืืืช. ืขื ืื ืืชืืฆืืืช ืืื ืืืืขืืช ืืจืืฉ".
ืืืขืช ืืจืืฉ ืฉืชืคืกืื?
"ืืืขืชื ืืืช ืืืืฉืื ืืคื ื ืืืืืจืืช. ืื ืืื ืืืืง ื ืื ืื ืืกืืืืืื".
ืื ื ืืืืช ืืช ืื ืืงืืคืืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืชืื ืืืืขื ืฉืืื ืฉืื ืชืงืืื, ืฉืื ืืืื?
"ืื".
ืืจืืฉืช ืฉืืชื ืืกืืื?
"ืืชืงืฉืืจืช? ืืืืืื. ืืื ืื ืื ืืืฉ. ืื ืฉืืื ืืืฉ ืืื ืฉืืคืขื ืืื ืืื ืืืช ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืกืืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืื ืื ืืื ื ืกืืคื ืขื ืืืจื".
ืืืื, ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืฉืืจืชื ืืช ืงืืืื?
"ืืื ืกืคืง. ืืื ื ืืื ืืจืืืื, ืืื ืฉืื ืจืืื ื ืืช ืจืืืื ืืืื ืืืขืืืช ืืขืืืืืช ืืขืืืืช ืืืืช. ืจืืื ื ืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืื ืฉื ืชืงืฉืืจืช ืขืืฉืื ืื ืืืช ืืื ืืฉืจืช ืืื ืืช ืืื. ืืืจืืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืกืืืืื ืืืฆืืจ ืืืช ืืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืช ืืืืืจืืช, ืืืืื ืืืืช ืงืืืขืช".
ืืืจืืฉื ืฉืื ืืืืขืื ืืืชื ืฉืืื ื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื?
"ืืชื ืืืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืช ืงืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืช ืืงืฉืืืื ืื. ืืชื ืขืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืฉื ืืืืื ืืืืืื. ืืืฆืจืื ืืฆื ืฉืืื, ืืืืื ืขื ืฉืืืืข ืืืืฉ ืืจืข ืืื, ืื ื, ืื ืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืขืื ื. ืืืืื ืืคืขืจืื ืืืืจืชืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืฉื ืขืฉืจืื ืฉื ื. ืืืฉืืืืื ืืืืืืื ืืช ืืขืืืื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืื ื ื ืื ืกืชื ืืืืฆืจ, ืืืืืื ืขืืื ืืืชืจืกืง ืืื ืืืจืื ืืื ื. ืงืจื ืืช ืืคื ืกืื ืขืืื ืืงืจืืก. ืืฆืืืื ืืืชื ืืื ืืก 1.3%. ื ืืื ืื ืง ืืฉืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืคื ื ืคืฉืืืช ืจืื ืฉื ืื ืง ืืจืืื. ืืืฆื ืืื ืขื ืกืฃ ืืื ืืืคืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืขืื ื ืืื ืืชืจืื ืืืขืืืง ืืฆืืจื ืืืืืื, ืืืืืื ื ืืืื ื ืงืืจืกืื. ืืช ืื ืื ืื ืืืจื. ืืช ืื ืื ืืืฉืืฉื. ืขืืืืชื ืืช ืืืฆืืืืช ืืืืคื ืืืืื ืืืจืืฉืข".
ืื ืจืง ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืชื ืืื ืื. ืื ืื ืฉื ืืขืกืงืื ืฉืืืชื ืืืคืืช ืืืขืฉืจืช ืคื ื ืืกืืคื ืฉื ืืืจ ื ืืื.
"ืื ื ืื ืืืืข ืื ืื ืฉื ืืขืกืงืื ืคื ื ื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืื ืืชืืืฆืื ืืฆืื. ืืืขื ืืืฉ ืืื ืื ืืชืืืฆื ืืฆืื. ืืืขืชื ืืจืืฉ ืฉืจืืื ืืืืงืื ืขื ืืืฉืชื ืืืืื ืืช. ืืื ืืืืชื ืืฆืคื ืฉืืืืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืืืืืจื ืื ืื ื ืืืืงืื ืขื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืื ืชืืืืื ืืืืฉืชื ืืืืืืืช. ืืืืชื ืืฆืคื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืืงืืืืช ืฉืืืืช ืืืืจื ืฉืื ื ืืจืกืชื ืืช ืืืืื ื ืืืื ืื ืฉืืงืื ืืืืืจ ืฉืื ืื ืื. ืฉืืื ืกืคืื ืคืืคืืืืกืื ืฉืืื ื ื ืืืงืื. ืืื ืื ืื ืงืจื. ืืืืงื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืืืฆืื ืืืฉืจืื ืฉืขืฉื ืืืช. ืืื ืืงืืืืช ืืขืกืงืื ืืืืืขืช ืืืื ืืช ืืืืช ืืืขื ืืฃ ืืื ืื ืงื. ืืืื ืืื ืืื ืืฉืฉ. ืื ืจืื ืืช ืืกืงืจืื. ืื ืจืื ืืื ื ืืฉืืช ืืจืื. ืื ืจืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืื".
ืืฉ ืื ืชืืืฉื ืฉื ืืื ืืืคืื ืืืคืืืช ืืืื?
"ืื. ืืงืืฉืชื ืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืืืื ืืขืืืืช ืคืจื, ืืืื ืืืืืืช, ืืื ืืืฆืื ืืช ืืืืืช ืืืืื ื. ืืื, ืื ืืื ืื. ืืฉืชื ืืืืื ืขืืืงื. ืืืืขืืช ืืชืืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืืื ืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืฉืื ืืืืขื ืืคืจืืคืกืืจืื ืฉื ืืืื ื ืืืืืื, ืฉืืื ื ืืืืขืื ืืฉืืงื ืื ืืืืืื ืืชืืื ืืืื".
ื ืคืืขืช.
"ืืืืืื ืฉื ืคืืขืชื. ืื ื ืื ืืื. ืื ืืชืืืืืชื ืืื ืฉืื ื ืืื ืื ืื ืื ืืืฉืื ืืจืืขื ืืืื. ืืืฉ ืืืฉืื. ืื ืจืื ืืืื ืืจืก ืืืืืื ืฉืืื ืื ืื ืืืง ืืื ืื ืืืคื ืขื ืืื ืื ืฉืื ืื ืืกืืืืื ืืืชืืืจ ืขืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ ืืชืืืจืชื ืขื ืืืื ืืจืก ืืืืฉื ืฉืื. ืืืืชื ื ืื ืืืืืจืื ืฉืื. ืืื ืืืฆืื ืืช ืืืืืช ืืฉืจืื ืืืืชื ืืืื ืืฉืคืื ืขื ืื ืื ืคืืืืื. ืื ืคืืืืื ืฉืื. ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ืื ืฆืืคืืชื ืฉืืฉืคืื ืืช ืืื. ืื ืฉืฆืืคืืชื ืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืฉืคืื ืืช ืืื".
ืืชื ืืืื.
"ืืฉ ืืื. ืื ื ืื ืืชืืืกืก ืื. ืืฉ ืจืืขืื ืฉื ืืจืืจืืช ืืื ืืจืืจืืช ืื ืชืืจืืช ืืืจ. ืื ืชืืจื ืืช ืืคืฆืขืื ืฉืื ืืฉืื ืชืืฉืืจ ืืชื ืืขืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืฉืชืื ืืื ืื ืืื. ืืืืช ืืืื".
"ืืจืืขืื ืฉืืื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืืจืืฃ ืืคื ืื ืื ื ืืชืคืงื ืืืื"
"ืืฉ ืื ืืช ืื ืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉืืกืืฃ ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืื ืืืช ืืจืื ืืช ืืืืช" (ืฆืืืื: ืื"ืฆ)
"ืื ื ืื ืกืืืง. ืื ืืืื ืืืขื ืืจืืืืช, ืืื ืื ืืืืืช ืชืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืขืืจืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืืคื ืืืืช ืืขืจื ืฉื ื-28 ืืืจืฅ ืืืฉืจ ืขื ืฆืื ืืืืืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืืชืจืกืง?
"ืืืืชื ืืืืช ืืืจืื ืืชื ืืืื ืขื ืืฉืชื, ืฉื ื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืจืื ืืืืื".
ืืืชืืืฉื?
"ืงืฉื. ืืื ืื ืืขืืงืจ ืืจืืืช ืืช ืื ื ืืงืื ืืืื ืืืช ืืืื ืขื ืคื ืื ืฉื ืื ื ืืืืืจ".
ืืฉืืช ืฉืืืื ืื ืืกืืฃ? ืฉืืืงืจืฉืื ืืืื ืืืจ ืื ืชืงืื?
"ืืืืงื ืืจืืขืื ืืืื ืฉืืื ืืชื ืืงืื ืืืจืืฃ ืืคื ืื ืื ื ืืชืคืงื ืืืื. ืืืืชื ืงืจ ืจืื ืืฉืงื. ืืืฉืืื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืจืืืข ืืช ืืืื. ืืขืืืจ ืืฆื ืฉืขื ืืืจ ืืืืชื ืืื ื ืืชืขืจืืื. ืื, ืื ืืฉืืชื ืฉืื ืืกืืฃ. ืืฉ ืื ืืช ืื ืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉืืกืืฃ ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืื ืืืช ืืจืื ืืช ืืืืช. ืืืื ืืืฉืื ืฉืืืืืง ืื ื ืขืฉื ืืื. ืื ืืืืช ืงืจื ืืืืืื".
ืื ืงืจื ืืืืืื?
"ืืฉืจืื ืืคืื ืืืื ืืื ืืขืื ืืืืืืืื ืืืืงืื ืืขืืื. ืืฆืืืื ืฉื ืืื ืืก 1.3% ืืฆืืืื ืฉื 6.6% ืืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื - ืืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืขืืื. ืืื ืืืื ื ืืชืงืืืช ืืขืืื ืฉืฉืื ืชื ืืืืื ืืืืืจืืช ืืื ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช".
ืืฉืืขืืจ ืืฆืืืื ืืื ืืืื ืืืชืืื?
"ืืืืืื, ืืื ืจืง ืื ื ืชืืื ืืืืื ืืืช ืฉืืืืืชื. ืื ืืืืคืื ืฉืืืชื ืืืืืชื ืื ืชืืืื, ืืฉืจืื ืชืฆืื ืืงืฆื ืฉื ืฉืืฉื ืขื ืฉืืขื ืืืืืื ืืฉื ื ืืื ืืืช ืืขืฉืจ ืืฉื ืื ืืงืจืืืืช. ืคืืจืืฉ ืืืืจ ืืื ืืืคืืช ืืชื"ื ืืขืฉืืจ. ืืืืื ืฉื ืจืืข ืืจืืืืื ืืืืจ ื-2016. ืืืช ืืืืืืืืช ืืืืืืืืช ืืขืืื".
ืืชื ืืืืช ืืืืื ืื ืกืืงืช ืืืฉืง ืืืฉืจืืื?
"ืืืื, ืืืื ืฉืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืคื ืืืืืื ืืืืืืืจ ืืกืื ืืคืืจื ืื ืืืืืืจ ืืงืืื (ืกืื ืืฉืืืงืื ืืืชืขืืจืจืื). ืืืขื ืื ืฉืืืฉื ืฉืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืฆืืืื. ืืืืืืจืื ืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืื ืืืืื ืื ืืื ืขืื ื ืืคื ื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืื ืืืคืืช ืฉืืง. ืืืฉืจ ืืฉ ืฆืืจืืฃ ืฉื ืฉืืง ืืืคืฉื ืขื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืืืืื, ืืฉืืื ืื ืืืืื. ืืืื ื ืืืืจืชื ืขื ืืฉืื ืืืจืื. ืืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื ืฉืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืืก ืืื ืืฉืื ืฉื ืืืืืจ ืืฆืืืืจื ืืืื ืืจืื ืฉื ืืืืืจ ืืขืกืงื ื-56:44 ื-50:50. ืืืจืืช ืืกืงืืืจ ืืฆืืืืจื ืื ืืชืืช ื-40% ืืืกืจืช ืืืฃ ืืืขืืจืืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืช ืืืืกืืื ืืคื ื ืชืืจืืช ืืืืื ืืืชื ื ืื ืืืชื ืฆืืืื ืฉื ืฉืืฉื-ืฉืืขื ืืืืืื ืืฉื ื ืืฉืจ ืชืืฆืื ืืืชื ื ืื ืืจืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืืืื".
ืืืคืขืจืื? ืื ืืฆืืง ืืืืจืชื?
"ืฉืืื ืืืืืจืื ื. ืืืฉืืืื ืื ืืฆืจืื ืืืจ ืืืื ืขื ืืื ืื ืืข ืืฆืืืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืืข ืืฉืืขืืจ ืืขืื ื ืื ืืื ืืขืืื ืืชืื ืฉืืืฉ ืื ืืจืืข ืฉื ืื".
ืื ืื ืื ืืฆืืืช ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ, ืืืคื ืืื ืืืช ืืขืืช? ืืื ืืืขืช ืืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืื ืื?
"ืชืืื ืืืืชื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืื ืืกืคืื. ืื ืื ืืืื ืืกืคื ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืืืื ืืกืคื ืืืืื ื. ืื ืืืฆืืชื ืืกืฃ ืฉืื ืืื ืื. ืืืื ืืืืืช ืฉืืืืชื ืฆืจืื ืืืืง ืืช ืืืง ืืืืืืืช ืืืืจืชืืืช ืืฆื ืฉื ื ืืืงืื ืืืชืจ. ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืขืืืจื".
ืืืืชื ืืืชืคืืจืืช. ืืืื ืืืืืจ ืืื ื ืจืืืช ืืื ืืืขืืช ืืคืืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืฉื ืื ืืืื ืื. ืื ืื ืขืช ืืช ืืืชื ืชืงืืช, ืืืคืฉืจืช ืืช ืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืฉืืืช ืืขืฆืื ืืช ืจืืฉืืช ืืืืฉืื.
"ืื ื ืื ืืชืืืืจ ืืืืืช ืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืจ. ืื ื ืืืฉื ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืื ื ืคืืืืืืงืื. ืื ื ืจืืื ืืช ืื ืืื. ืื ื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืฆืขืื ืฆืจืื ืื ืงืื ืื ืืื ืืฆืืืืช ืืชืคืชืืช. ืืื ืื ื ืื ืกืืืง. ืื ืืืื ืืืขื ืืจืืืืช, ืืื ืื ืืืืืช ืชืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืขืืจืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืื ืืช ืืืืื ืขื ืืขืื ืืืื ืืจืืืืื ืืขื ืืขืื ืืืฉืคืขื. ืืกืจืื ืื ืืืฉืืจืื ืืกืืืืื ืืืกืจืื ืื ืงืืฉืืจืื. ืื ืืฉ ืืืื ืืืฉืืง ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืืฉืืง.
"ืื ืฉืืชืืจืจ ืืื ืฉืืืืืืช ืืืจืืืง ืจืืืช ืืื ืืืกืจืื ืืคืืืืืืงืื. ืืฉืืืืจืชื ื-1996 ืขื ืืชืืื ืืืช ืืืจืขืื ืืืช ืฉื ืืืจืื ืืฆืืืืจ ืื ืืชืืืจ ืืื. ืืฉืืืจืชื ื-2003 ืฉื ืืื ืืืืช ืืืืืืืช ืืืฉืืฉืืืช ืืขืืื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ื ืืืื ืืืงืืฅ. ืืื ืขืืฉืื, ืืฉืื ื ืืืืจ ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืืืืืง ืืช ืืขืื ื ืชืื ืฉืืืฉ ืฉื ืื, ืืชืงืฉืื ืืืืืื ืื. ืืฆืืืืจ ืืชืงืฉื ืืืขืจืื ืคืจืืื ืืืืช ืืจืืืืช ืืืื".
ืื ื ืืกื ืืฉืื ืืช ื ืชื ืืื (ืืืื ืื ื ืชื ืืื ืืืชืคืชื)
ืื ืืืกืืืก. ืืืืืจ ืฉ"ืื ืชืืื ืื ืืขืืจืช ืกืืืืืืช ืื ืืฉื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืืืฆ'ืฆ'ื)
ื ืชื ืืื ืืฉืจืื. "ืขื ืืื ื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืฉืืืื ื ืืืื ืืชืื ืืฉืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืฉืื ืชืื ืชื ืืืืื ื ืืืฉืืช ืฉื ืืืฉ" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืืื ืกืื. "ืืื ืืืืจื ืขื ืืืง ืืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืคืืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืขืืคืจ ืงืจื ื)
ืืืืจืื ื ืืืืจืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืชืจ ืขื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื, ืืืืช ืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ. ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืฉืืชืช?
"ืืฉ ืืืฉืจืื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืืืืช ืืืืื. ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช ืืื ืืืื ืืืขืืืงื ืืงืฆื ืืกืืจืจ. ืืื ืืืืืจืื ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืืืื ืขื ืคื ืจืื ืืช ืืืืจื. ืื ืืืืจืื ืขื ืืงืฉืจ ืืื ืืืจ ืืืจืื ืืืื ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืกืืจ ืื ื'ืื ืืื ืืจืืืฉ ืืช ืชืืืืชื. ืืื ืืชืืคืขื ืืื ืืื ืืื ืืจืืช ืืืกืืช. ืื ืืฉืืื ืืชืจืืฉืช, ืืืืงืฃ ืืืืืจื ืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืื ืื ื ืืืขื ืฉืืื ืจืง ืงืฆื ืงืจืืื ืืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืขืฉืืจืืช ืืคืืืช ืืฉืืื ืื ืืฆืืช ืืขื ืคื ื ืืืื. ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืชืจ ืืืืจื ื ืืฆืืช ืืชืืช ืืคื ื ืืืื. ืขืืื ืืืขื ืื ืืืืจืื. ืขืืื ืืืขื ืื ืืืืขืื. ืืื ืืืืงื ืืื ืืืืืืื. ืืื ืืกืื ื ืืืืืชืืช".
ืขื ืื ืืชื ืืืืจ?
"ืื ื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืืคืงืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืืง ื ืืกืื ืืืขื ืืื ืฉืืฉืื ืื ืขื ืื ืืกืฃ. ืืจืื ืืกืฃ".
ืืชื ืืืืจ ืขื ืฉืืื. ืฉืืื ืฉื ืืืฉ.
"ืื. ืฉืืื ืืืขืืคืืช. ืฉืืื ืืืขืืจื ืฉื ืืืืืื ืื ืืืฉืืื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืืืืื ืื ืืืื ืงืืืื".
ืืชื ืจืฆืื ื? ืืชื ืืืืช ืืืขื ืฉืืืืืจื ืืืืืืช ืืจืืืืืช ืืืฉืง ืขืืืืื ืืฉืืื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืืืืื ืืืืื ืงืืืื?
"ืืชื ืืืืข ืืืื ืื ืืชืฉืืื".
ืืืฉืจืื ืฉื ืฉื ืืช ืืืืคืืื ื ืืกืื ืืืืืืืจืืื ืืืขืืจืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืืืช ืชืืืจืช ืฉืืื?
"ืืงืืืขื ืฉืื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืืืืื".
ืืืืื ืขื ืคืื?
"ื ืืกื ืืืืื ื ืืจืืืืื ืืืื ืืฆืืืจืื. ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืฉื ื ืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืืชื. ืืฉืืืฉื ืืื ืฉืืง ืืื ืจืืื. ืืจืืืขื ืืื ืืืืจืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืืช ืืืืืืฉื ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืืงืืื. ืืชืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืืชื ืืืฆืขื ื ืจืคืืจืืืช ืฉื ืืืจืื ืืฉืงืืคืืช ืืฉืจ ืืืืืืช ืืืขื ืืืืืืื ืืช ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืฉืืชื. ืืื ืื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืฉืืง ืืื ืจืืื ืื ื ืชื ื ืื ืืืชืงืจื. ืืื ืืืงืจื. ืื ื ืืขืจืื ืฉืืืืงืฃ ืืืืื ืฉื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืื ืืชืืื ืื ืื"ื. ืชืืืจืช ืืืื ืงืจืงืข ืืืืืช ืืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืืืจืืื ืคืืืืืืงืื ืื ืคืงืื ืขืฉืื ืืงืื ืืืืืื ืื. ืืื ืืฉ ืืขืื ืื ืืชืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืฉืืชืืืช. ืืฉืืืื ืืืงืืื ืื ืืืขื ืืืืคื. ืืื ืืงืื ืฉืื ืืจืืืืืืืช ืืืืื ืืืฉืงืืคืืช ื ืืืื ืืฉ ืืขืื ืงืฉื ืฉื ืฉืืืชืืช. ืื ืืืืืง ืืคื ืฉืืืจื ืืงืืื ืงืืข: ืื ืืื ืืฉืืืช, ืืืื ืืืืื ืืฉืืืช ืืืืคื ืืืืื".
ืื ืื ืข ืืื ืืขืฆื ืืืฉื ืืขื ืืื ื ืงืจืงืขืืช ืืื ืจืืื?
"ืืืฉื ืืืชื ืขื ืฉืจืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืฆืืื, ืขื"ื ืืฆืืง ืืืืื, ืขื ืืื ื ืฆืืื, ืขื"ื ืื ืืืกืืืก, ืฉืื ืชืืื ืื ืืขืืจืช ืกืืืืืืช ืื ืืฉื ืืื ืื ืืงืจืงืขื ืืฉืจืื. ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืฉืืืื ื ืืืื ืืชืื ืืฉืืช ืจืืฉ ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืฉืื ืชืื ืชื ืืืืื ื ืืืฉืืช ืฉื ืืืฉ".
ืืืืืื ืืงืฆืืขืืื ืืชื ื ืืฉื ืื ืงื ืืคืืื, ืืื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืจืื ื ืืฆืจื ืชืืืฉื ืฉืื ืืชื ืืืฉืืช.
"ืืืขื ื ืืื ืืืฉ ืืงืืืืช ืืืชื. ืืื ืืื ืืกืคืื ืื ืืืจืืฉืขืื ืืืฉืงืจืืื ืืืืชืจ ืฉืืืืืื ืื ืืช ืืฆืืืืจ. ืืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื ืืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ ืืืฉืชื ืขื ืืืืช ืืืืืืจืืื, ืขื ืืืจืืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืื ืขืชืง, ืืืขืืื, ืืขืืื, ืื ืืืง ืื ืจืื".
ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืืืฉืืช ืฉืื ื ืืืข ืืืงืฉืจืื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ืขืฆืื ืขื ืืขืื ืืื?
"ืืคืื. ืืืืื ืืขืืื ืื ืืื ืืขืื ื ืืืื ืืืืืืชื. ืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืจืชื ืืช ืืืื ืืจืกืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืคืขืื ืืขืชืื ืงืจืืืืช ื ืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ื ืืช ืื ืง ืืืกืงืื ื, ืื ืฉืืื ืืืืจื (ืืฉืคืืช ืืจืื ืคืื) ืืื ืื ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืคืืืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ื ืืช ืืืง, ืืืจืื ืฉืื ืฉื ืืืฉื ืืืืจื ืืคืกืืื ืืืืื ืื ืฉืืื (ืืืื ืกืื) ืกืืืข ืืืจืืื ืืคืืืืืื. ืืขืืืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืื ืืื ืงืื ืืืืืืื ืืื ืื ืืืจ ืฉืื ืื ืื ืขื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืจืคืืจืื ืฉืืืืืฉื ืืืื ืืช ืืื ืงืื. ืื ืชืฉืื ืฉืืืฉืจ ืกืืืืชื ืืช ืชืคืงืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืชื ืืืช: ืืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืฉืคืืชื. ืื ื ืื ืืืื ืืืืจ ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืืจืืฉ ืขื ืื ืฉืื, ืืื ืืื ืื ืืขื ืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืจื ืืจืืื ืขืื ืืืจืืฉืืื, ืืฉืืื ืื ืง ืื ืืจืฉืื ืืืืืื, ืฉื ื ืืืืื ืงืื ืื ืืคื ืกืื ืฉื 4,000 ืฉืงื ืืืืืฉ. ืคืืืืืืงืื ืืฉืจ ืื ืืืฉืืืจืชื ืืื ื ืืืชื. ืงืืืืชื ืชืฉืืื ืขื ืกืคืจืื ืฉืืชืืชื, ืืื ืื ืืืื ืชื ืฉืืืชืจ ืื ืืขืฉืืช ืืืืชื ืชืื ืืื ืืื ืืคืืืืืืื. ืืฆืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืชื ื ืจืง ืืืจื ืฉืคืจืฉืชื ืืืืืื ืืฆืืืืจืืื".
ืืืืืชื ืืขืืืืช ืืื ื ืืกื ืื ืคืขื ืืฉืื ืืืชื?
"ืคืขื ืืืช ื ืืกื ืืืฉืช ืืื. ืื ื ืขืฉื ืืชืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืจืืช ืจืื. ืืืืชื ืืืช ืขื ืืกืฃ ืืื ื ืคืกืง. ืื ื ืชืชื ืืื ืืืชืคืชื".
ืื ืืืืช ื ืขืชืจ ืืืฆืขื ืืืืช ืืืคื ืืืื ืขืฉืืจ?
"ืืืื".
ืื ืืฆืืข ืืช ืืฉืืื?
"ืขืืืจ ืืืื".
ืืชื?
"ืืชืืืืช ืืืื ืชื ืืฉืจ ืืืฆืจ. ืืืจืืช ืฉืื ืืืืืชื ืฉืืจืืจ, ืืืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงื ืืืฉืจืืืืช ืฉื ืืืื ื ืืกื ืืจืชืื ืืืชื ืืืืืืฉืื ืขืืกืงื".
ืืืืข ืื ืืชืืื ื ืช ืืืฉืืจื?
"ืืืฆืขื ืืืขืืจื ืืื ืืืืคื ืืชืืืื ืืืื. ืื ื ืชืชื ืื ืืืชืคืชื. ืขืฆืจืชื ืืืชื ืืคื ื ืฉืืื ืงืืืื ืืืืืงืืช".
ืืืืืจ ืื ืื ื ืืืืืื ืืื ืื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืืืจืื ืืืจืื ืืจืื ืฉืื ืืงืืืื ืืฆืขืืช ืืืกืื ืืื ืืคืจืงืื. ืืืื ืืืืื ืืขืื ืืื ืขื ืืฆืขืืช ืฉืืืืจืงืืืืืืืช ืฉืืื ืืืคืืืช.
"ืื ืืกืชื".
ืืฉืืืชื, ืืกืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืืืช ืขืฉืืจ?
"ืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืขืฉืืจ ืืคืืืืืืงื, ืืืื ืืืื ืืืชืขืฉืจ ืืืจื ืืคืืืืืืงื. ืืื ืคืืืืืืงืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืฉืคืื ืขืฉืืจื ืืืืืื ืืืื ืืคืืืืืื ืืืคื ืืขืฉืืจ, ืฆืจืื ืืขืืจืจ ืชืืืืืช".
ืืฉื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืฉืจืื ืืืืืจื?
"ืื ืืฉืืขืืช ืื. ืจืื ืืช ืืืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืื ืืืืื ืช ืฉืืืชืืช. ืืื ืืื ืขื ืืืช ืืฉืื ืืืืืืฉ ืฉืืืฉืจ ืืืืืจ ืขื ืืงืฉืจ ืืื-ืฉืืืื, ืจืื ืืขืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืงืฉืจ. ืื ืจืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืฉืืืื ืืื ื ืืงืฉืจ. ืืื ืืื ืงืืืฆื ืงืื ื ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืื ืืืื ืงืืืฆื ืืกืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืฉืืืื ืืฉ ืงืฉืจ ืฉืกืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืืื. ืืขื ืื ืื ื ืืืืจ ืฉืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืชื ืืกืจืื. ืืื ืืื ืจืืืืื ืขื ืืืฉืง. ืืื ืืืืืื ืขื ืืฆืืืื, ืืขืืืื ืืืชืคืชื ืืืืืื ืืจืื ืืื ืืื. ืืจืื ืืื ื ืืื ืืืื ื ืขืฉืืจื ืืืื ืฉืงืคืื ืืืืืืช ืืืื ืฉืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืชื ืื ืืืืจื. ืืจืืข ืฉืืืืื ื ืฉืืงืขืช ืืืืฆื ืฉื ืฉืืืชืืช ืงืฉื, ืืืื ืงืฉื, ืืฆืืช ืืื ื".
ืืืืข ืงืจืืื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืฉืืชื ืืืืจ ืขืืื ืื ื ืืฉืฃ ืขื ืืืื?
"ืฉื ื ืืืืืช ืืืืจืื ืืืฉืืฃ ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช. ืืืื ืืื ืืขืจืืืช ืืืืืคื ืฉื ืืืืง ืืืฉื ื ืืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช. ืืืืื ืืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืขืืืงื ืืช ืืืืจืชื ืืื ืืืืจืช ืื ืืืขืจืืช ืืืืืคื ืืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืช. ืืขืื ื ืืกืคืช ืืื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืืื ืืกืืืืื ืืงืืืื ืืกืื ืืช ืืคื ื ืืฉืืคืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืฉืืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืงืืืื ืื'ื ืื ืคืืืืืืช ืจืฆืืื".
ืืชื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืืชืจืื, ืืืกืื ืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืชืืช ืฉืืื ืื ืืืจืืืืืฅ' ืืฆืืข ืืชืช ืืืจืืื ืฉืจืื ืืืืืื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช?
"ืื ื ืืืฉื ืฉืชืคืงืื ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ื ืืืชืจื ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืื ืืืชืืจ ืืืชื. ืืื ื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืืชืืช. ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืขืืืจื ื ืืกื ืืืื ื ืืืืืื ืืกืืืืืช ืชืืืจืช ืืกืฃ. ืืช ืืฉืืืชืืช ืืืืช ืฆืจืื ืืืฉืืฃ. ืืืืจืื ืืื ื ืงืืื ืืืืืื. ืืื ืืืืืข ืืกืชืืื. ืขืืชืื ืืื ืืืืขืื. ืืืจืื ืืืืคืช ืืืง ืืืืขืื. ืืืื ืืืช ืืืืฉืืชืื ืืื ื ื ืขื ืฉืื. ืืฉ ืืืฉืจืื ืชืืคืขื ืืจืืจื ืฉื ืืืฉืืช ืืืื ืื".
ืืชื ืืขืฆื ืืืขื ืฉืคืืืืืืงืื ืืืฉืืช ืืืชืืืื ืื ืกืืื ืืงืื ืืกืื ืืช.
"ืืคื ืืื ืืขืืืชืื ืืื ืฆืจืื ืืงืื ืืกืื ืืช".
ืืืชื ืืืขื ืฉืื ืื ืขืืืช ืืืื.
"ืืชื ืืืืข ืฉืื".
ืืขืฆื ืืชื ืืืฉืื ืืช ืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืืืคืื ืขื ืืฉืืืชืืช.
"ืืืง ื ืืืจ ืืืชืงืฉืืจืช ืืื ื ืืืื ืืช ืชืคืงืืื ืืขื ืืื ืื".
"ืืืื ืชืืืื ืืื ืืืืืืช? ืืืฉืื ืืขืืื ืืืืจ ืืงืืืื ืฉืงืืขื ื?"
"ืื ื ืื ืืฆืคื ืฉื ืืืืฉ ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืจืฆืืขื ืืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืืืฉ ืืืฉืืืื" (ืฆืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
ืืคืช ืฆืคืื ืืฉืืืจืื ืืืงืขืช ืืืจืื. "ืื ืื ื ืืงืืงืื ืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืจืืงืื ืฉื ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืื" (ืกืคืง: ืืืจืฅ) (ืืืฆื ืืืืืื)
ืืชื ืขืืืื ืืืฉื ืฉืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืืชื ืืขืืช?
"ืชืืืื ืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืืขื ื ืืคื ื ืืืฆืืขื ืฉืืื ืชืืื ืืืฆืืืืช ืืืืกืื ืืื ืื ื ืืืื ืืคืืกืืื ืื. ืื ืืขื ื ืฉืืื ืชืกืืืข ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืชืืจืื ืืืจื ืขื ืืฉืจืื. ืืขืืืช ืืืช, ืืืจื ืืื ื ืืขื ื ืฉืืืชื ืชืงืืช ืชืืืง ืืช ืืืืืก, ืชืงืจื ืืช ืืงืกืืืื ืื ืืฉืงืืื ืืชืืคืฉืจ ืืื ืกืช ืืขืจืืืช ื ืฉืง ืืืฉืืช ืืฉืืืื ืฉืืคืื ื. ืืืืจ ืื ืืชื ืื ืฆืืง".
ืืืืืฉืืื? ืืชืืืื ืืืื ืืืืืืช?
"ืืืื ืืืฉืืื? ืืืื ืชืืืื ืืื ืืืืืืช? ืืืฉืื ืืขืืื ืืืืจ ืืงืืืื ืฉืงืืขื ื? ืืืจืืช ืฉื ืืฉื ื ืืช ืขืื ืขื ืืกื ืืืืืจ ืืืืจืื, ืืคืืื ืืืืืื ื ืืืืืื ืืืืชืจ ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืฆืืืจ ืฉืืืืืืฉ ืฉื ืขืื ืืกืชืืื".
ืื ื ืืืืืจื ื ืกืข ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืืขืช ืืงืคืืืื. ืขืื ืฉื ื ืืืงืืจืื ืืืื ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืจืืช ืชืืืจ ืืงื ืืืืจ ืืืืื ืืงืืข ืฉื ืืฉืจืื.
"ืืฉ ืื ืกืคืงืืช ืืขื ืืื ืื. ืืื ืืงืจื, ืื ืฉืืื ืืขืื ื ืืืจ. ืื ื ืื ืืฆืคื ืฉื ืืืืฉ ืืืืฉ ืืช ืืจืฆืืขื ืืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืืืฉ ืืืฉืืืื. ืื ืื ืืงืจื. ืื ื ืืืืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืื. ืืื ืขืืฉืื ืื ืื ื ืฆืจืืืื ืืืฉืื ืื ืื ืื ื ืขืืฉืื ืงืืืื, ืกืืืื ืขื ืืืืืื. ืืืืืจื ืืืืจ ืขื ืคืื ืื ืื ืืืืืืื ืฉืืขืืจ ืืืืจ ืขื 2010. ืคืืจืืฉ ืืืืจ ืืื ืคืื ืื ืฉื ืฉืืขืื ืขื ืืื ืืืฃ ืื ื ืืื ืืืชืืื, ืืืฆืื ืฉื ืขื ืืื ืืืืืืจื ืฉืงืืื - ืฉืขืืื ืืืืื ืฉื ืืืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืขืชืื ืฉืื ื ืืืขื ืืกืจ ืฉืืจ, ืฉืื ืืคืจืืช ืืืืืืกืืืช ืงืืืืช ืืคืืขื ืืืจ ืืขืช. ืืื ื ื ืฉืืืืื ืขื ื-98% ืืืคืืกืืื ืื. ืืืืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืืืืช ืืงื ืื ืกืืื ืื ืชืืื. ืจืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืจ ืื: ืื ืชืืื. ืืื ืืงืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืืืืืช ื ืฆืืจื ืืืืืจ ืืงืืื 67', ืืื ืื ืืืืจื ืชืืื ืืืงืืช ืืืืืืืช. ืืขืื ื ืืืง ืืืืื ืืช ืืขืืื ืืคืืื ืงืืื 67' ืืื ื ืืืืืืืืื. ืื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืงืจื ืืื ืฉื ืืฆืื ืกืืืื ืขืชืง ืืื ืืืขืืืจ ืืชื ืืืื ืืืืขื ืืืช ืืืืขื ืืืจืช ืชืื ืืื ืจืืกืืง ืืืืื, ืืืื ืื ื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืืืืคื. ื ืืจืื ืืื ืฉืื ืื ืืชืืืื ืืขืชืื ืฉืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืคืืกืืื ืืช ืื ืืืฉืืจื ืืืืื ื ืงืืคืื ืืืฉื ืืืชื ืขื ืฉืืื. ืขื ืืกืืจ ืงืืข. ืฉืืจื ืืช ืื ืืงืืคืื ืคืืืจื ื ืขื ืืฉืืืื ืกืชื ืื, ืกืชื ืื. ืืื ืืืฉืื, ืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืืืื ืชืืืืช".
ืืชื ืจืืื ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืกืืจ ืงืืข ืขื ืืคืืกืืื ืื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืื?
"ืื ืื ืขืื ืืืจืื ืืชืขืฆืืช. ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืชืคืืจืง ืืขืืฆืืชื ืืชืฉื ื ืืืืื ืื ื ืืืืื ืฉืืื ืจืืื ืืขืืื ืืขืจืื ืืืืืืช ืืฉืคืืืื ืืชืืืงื. ืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืคืืกืืื ืืช. ืืืชืื ืฉืืชืืฆืื ืืืืชืฉื ืฉื ืืฆืืืืจ ืืคืืกืืื ื, ืืืืืก ืืืืก. ืืืฉืจ ืจืื ืืคืืกืืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืื ืฉืื ืฆืจืืืื ืืืืืจ ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืกืืืืืช ืืฉืืื ืฉืื ืืืช ืงืจื ืืคืืงืืืคืื ืขื ืืืืื ื ืืืืืืืช, ืืืื ืืืจื ืืืืืช ืืคืฉืจื, ืืืื ืื ื ืคืจืื ืจ".
ืืืคืจืื ืจ ืืคืืกืืื ื ืืจืืื ืชืกืืื ืืืกืืจ ืืืื ืืจืฅ ืืืืืื ืืฉืืืจืื?
"ืืช ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืช ืืืขืืจืื ื ืฆืืจื ืืฉืืืจ ืืืืื ื ืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืคืืืชื ืฉื ืืฉืื ืืคืืกืืื ื ืืืกืืก ืืืืฉ ืฉืืกืื ืืช ืขืฆื ืงืืืื ื".
ืืืงืื. ืืื ืืื ืชืกืืื ืืงืื ืืช ืืขืืงืจืื ืฉื ืืืืงืช ืืืจืฅ ืขื ืืกืืก ืฉื ืชืืื ืืช ืืืื?
"ืชืืื ืืช ืืืื ืืืจืืืช. ืื ืื ื ืืงืืงืื ืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืจืืงืื ืฉื ืืงืขืช ืืืจืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืื. ืื ืื ื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืืจืื ืืืืืืจื".
"ืืขืืืช ืืชืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืื ืืช ืขืืืื ืืฆืืฅ ืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืช"
ื ืฉืื ืืืจืื, ืืืืื ืืืืืื ื'ืื. ืืืจืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืขืืื (ืฆืืืืืื: ืจืืืืจืก)
"ืขืืื ื ืืืืืช ืขืจืืืื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉื ืืืืฅ ืืืื ืขื ืขืฆืื ื ืืืืืืช ืขืฆืื ื"
ืชืกืืื ืืงืื ืืช ืืจืขืืื ืฉื ืฉืชื ืืืื ืืช ืืฉื ื ืขืืื?
"ืื ืืืืืจ ืืจืขืืื. ืืืืืจ ืืืฆืืืืช ืืฉืื, ืืืืฆืืืืช ืื ื ืืืืจ".
ืืืืืจ ืื ืืชื, ืื"ืจ ืืืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืืืื ืืืืืื, ืืงืื ืืขืฆื ืืช ืืขืืืื ืฉืื ืชืืื ืืจืฅ ืืฉืจืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืกืืคื ืฉื ืืืจ ืืืฉืืื ืื ืืืจ ืืคืื ื ืืื ืืืืง ืืช ืืืจืฅ ืืื ืืืื ื ืืืืืืช-ืืืืงืจืืืช ืืืื ืืืื ื ืคืืกืืื ืืช.
"ืื ื ืื ืืขื ืืืืงืช ืืืจืฅ. ืื ื ืืืืจ ืื. ืื ืืืฆืืืืช ืฉื ืืฆืจื. ืื ื ืืืืจ ืืช ืืฉืขืื ืืืืืจ".
ืื ืื ืืชื ืืจืื ืคืืืช ืืื ื ืืื ืฉืืงืืื ืืืฉืื. ืืืชื ืืืืช ืฉืื ืื ืกืืื ืฉืืืชื ืืื ืกืืื ืฉืชืืื ืืื ื ืขืงืจืื ืืช ืืื ืืงืืืช.
"ืื ื ืื ืืืืฃ ืืืืืื ืจืืืืืืืืช ืืื ืกื ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืจืืืืจืื. ืื ื ืืืฆื ืื ืื ืืชืงืืื ืฉื ืคืื ืื ืืื ืชืืืจื, ืืื ืืกืื ืืืชืืืื ืืืืฅ. ืืขืงืืืช ืืืชืคืชืืืช ืฉื ืืฆืืื ืืช ืคืื ืื ื ืืืฉืืืื. ืืฉืื ืืืชื ืืจืืจื ืคืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืฉ ืขืฆืืื. ืืฉืืื ืืกืื ืฉืืื ืคืื ืื ื ืืช ืืืฉืืื ืกืื ื. ืืคืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืืืื ืืืชืจืืฉ ืืขืช. ืื ืื ื ืืชืคื ืื ืืชืืฆืื ืืืืฅ ืฉื ืืืื ืฉืืื ื ื ืขืืฆืจ ืืืจื ืขืงืืจื ืืืืฉ ืงืืืฃ ืืื ืืขืฆืืจ ืืืจื ืขืงืืจื ืฉื ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืืจืื. ืืื ืืขื ืืืืช ืืืืฅ ืืื ืืจืช ืืกืื. ืืฉ ืื ืืฉืคืขื ืขืฆืืื ืขื ืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืืฉืื ืืืืืืฅ ืืืชื ื. ืขื ืื ืืื ืืื ืงืืจืื ืืฉืืื ืืื ืืจืืงืช ืืฉืืื. ืืื ืืื ืืชื ืืืืืื ืืื ืขืจืขืืจ ืืืืืืื.
"ืืขื ืืื ืืฉ ืืื ืืงืจื ื ืฉื ืืืืฉืช ืืจืฆืื ืืืืืื. ืืงืจื ืช ืืืืฉื ืืกืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืจืฆืื ืืืืื ื ืืื ืืืืื ืืืืคื ืืืชืจ ืืชื ืืืืชืจ ืงื ืื ืืื ืืืืืืช. ืืืฉืืื ืืืืืจื ืืืืชืจ ืฉืื ืืื ืืื ืืืจืื. ืื ื ืื ืืืฉื ืฉืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืืื ืืื ืชืืื ืืช ืืขืฉืืช, ืืื ืืจืืจ ืื ืฉืืื ืฉืืืงืช ืืช ืืื ืืืจืชืขื ืฉืื ื ืืื ืืืืืช ืงืืฆืื ืืื ืืืืืจื ื. ืืืฉืจ ืืฉืจืื ืืืืื ืขื ืืืฅ ืืฉืชืืงื, ืื ืกืืื, ืืขืงืืจื ืืืืชืื ืกืืช ืืืืื ืืชืื ืขืฆืื, ืืฉืืจ ืื ืงืื ืืจืืื ืืืืจื ืืชืืืื ืืื ืฉืืจ ืฉื ืืืืฉื. ืืืฆื ืืืจืืื ืฉืืืื ืื ืื ื ื ืื ืกืื ืืขืช ืฉืืจ ืืื ืืื ืจืข. ืืืื ืจืข".
ืขื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืจืืื ืืืชื?
"ืืืื. ืืื ืื ืืืืืจ ืจืง ืขื ืืืจืื. ืืขืืืช ืืชืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืื ืืช ืขืืืื ืืฆืืฅ ืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืช. ืจืืื ืขืืืื ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืช, ืืื ืชืงืืคืช ืืืืืืืื ืขืืืืช ืืืกืชืืื. ืื ืื ื ื ืื ืกืื ืืขืืื ืืืฉ. ืื ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืขืืื ืืคื ื ืขืืื ืืืจ. ืืขืืื ืืืืฉ ืืื ืฆืจืื ืืืืืจ ืฉืื ื ืืขืื ืื ืฉื ืื ืืื ืฉืคืื".
ืขื ืื ืืชื ืืืืจ?
"ืืืื ื-19 ืืืชื ืืื ืืกืืืจืช ืืืฆืืื ืืืกืืช. ืืื ืืคื ืืื ืืช ืืืงื ืฉืืืชื ืืืื ืืืจืืคื ื-500 ืฉื ืืช ืืืืื: ืืืื ืืืืืข ืืคืฉืจืืช ืืืกืืจืื. ืืืื ื-20 ืจืืชื ืืจืื ืืืื ืืื ืืชืคืืฉื ืื ืืืจื ืฉื ื ืืืื ืืขืืื - ืื ืืฆืืื. ืืงืืืื ืืื ืืื ื ืืชืขืื ืืืืืข ืืื ืืฉื ืื ืืืื ืืืืจื ืืืืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืืื ืืืจืืืช ืืืคืืืช ืืื ืืขืช ืืืืื ืขืืืืืช. ืืขืืืช ืืืช, ืืขืช ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืคื ื ืื ืฉื ืืืกืืื ืืืืคืจ ืืคืฉืจื ืืืื ืงืืื ืืืืืื ืืฆืืจื ืืืืคืืฃ ืืจืืืื ืืืื ืืืจื ืขื ืื ืช ืืืืืืจ ืืืื ืคื ืืกืื ืฉื ืฉืืืื ืืืืกืืืื ืืืืืจืื ืืขืืื. ืืืฉืจ ืืืจื ืืืื ืืืชื ืืืกืืืื ืชืืื ืืจื ืืจืขืื ืืช, ืืขืืื ืืืื ืืขืืื ืืืจ. ืืื ืืฉืืช ืืืื ืชืขืืื ืื ืงืืื ืืืจืช ืืืืกืืืจืื. ืื ืฉืืื ืชืงืฃ ืืื ืืจืืช ืืืืขืฆืืช ืื ืืืื ืชืงืฃ ืืื. ื ืืฆื ืืช ืขืฆืื ื ืขืืืืื ืื ืืื ืืจืืจืื ืืืฉืื. ืื ืืื ืืชืืจ ืฉืืืืื ืื ืืืขื ืืฆืืืืืืืืฆืื ืืืขืจืืืช ืืขืืื".
ืืืจืื ืืื ืืืื ืขื ืืื ืืฉืืช?
"ืื. ืืืขืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืกื ืืจ ืืืงืืื ืืขื ืืืื ืืืขืจื ืชืืื ืืืจ ืขื ืืืจืืจืื. ืืชืจืื ืืืืคืฉ ืืขื ืืง ืืืืืืื ืืืืืืฆืื ืืืชืจ ืืืืื ืืฆืืื ืืืชื ืืืขืจืืืช ื ืฉืง ืืืชืจ ืืชืงืืืืช. ืืืืื ืืขืช ืื ืื ื ืขืืืืื ืืคื ื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉืืืื ืืช ื ืืฉืืืช ืืงื ืืืืช ืืฆืืืื ืืจืื ืื ืืฉืืืื ืืื ืืืฉืื ืคืฆืฆืืช ืืืื. ืื ืืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืฅ ืืจืขืื ื ืืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืืขืจื ืืฉืชื ื ืืืงืฆื ืื ืืงืฆื. ืืื ืื ืื ื ื ืืฆืืื ืืขืช ืืจืืข ืืจืืื ืืืื ืืืืชื. ืฉื ื ืืืืืช ืืืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืืื ืืฉื ืขืืืืื ืืืืคืืฉ: ืืฆื ืืืคื ืืืืข ืืื ืืฉื ืืื ืฉืง ืืืจืขืื ื. ืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืกืืืจืืช ืืจืืข ืืื. ืืืื ืชืคื ืืช ืืชืืืืืช ืืื ืืฉืืช".
ืืื ื ืขืจืืื ืืขืืื ืืืืฉ?
"ืืืืฆืขืืช ืืกืืจืืืื ืืฉืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืืขื ืืืจืชืขื. ืืืืฉืืช ืืจืขืืช ืื ืฉืืขืืื ืืืืฉ ืืื ืืงืื ืืืืื ืืืืชื ืืฆืื. ืืื ืืืืฉืืช ืืืืืืช ืื ืฉืืืฉืจืื ืขืืฆืืืช ืืืืืืืช, ืืื ืืืืืืืช ืืฆืืืืืช ืืืืคืฉืจืืช ืื ืืืชืืืื ืขื ืืกืื ื. ืืืืืื ืืืฉืจืืืืช ืืืืฉื, ืืฆืืืืช ืืืืืจืืช ืืืืฆืช, ืืืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืคืจืืืงืืื ืืฉืื ืื ืื ืืจืฉืื ืืืื ืชื ื".
ืืื ืื ืืืืืจ ืืื? ืืื ืื ื ืืืจ ืขืืื ื ืืืฉืืื ืขื ืืืจืื ืืจืขืื ืืช?
"ืืฉืื ืคื ืื ืืืืคื ืื. ืืืืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืืจืขืื ืฉื ืืืจืื".
ืืื ืืืืจ? ืืื ืืจื?
"ืืืืืื ืืื ืืข ืืช ืืืจืขืื ืฉื ืืืจืื".
ืืืงืืจืื ืช ืืืื ืชืงืคื?
"ืืืื ืื ืข ืืจืขืื ืืืจื ืืืช. ืืฉ ืื ืืจืืื ืืืจืืช ืืืฉ ืืืืืช ืืืจืื".
ืืฉ ืกืืืื ืืื ืืขื ืืืื ืืช?
"ืืืืชื ืฉืื ืื ืืืืชื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืื. ืืื ืขื ืืืช, ืืฉ ืืืคืฉืจ ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืจืืช ืืืฆืืช ืืช ืืืืื ืืืืื ื ืืืื ืืืืื".
ืืื ืืื ื ืืชืจ?
"ืื ืื ื ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืืชืืื. ื ืืกืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืช ืืื ืืืืช ืคืจืืืงื ืืจืขืื ืฉืืคืชื ื ืืืืขืืช ืืืขืื ืืืงืื ืื ืืฆืคืื ืืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืืฆืคืื".
ืืชื ืจืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืฉื ืืช ื-40?
"ืืืืื ืืื ืืื ืฉืืฉ ืื ื ืืืื ืืืื ื ืืืงื ืืืื ืขื ืืืืืืช ืืืงืืช ืืืื. ืืฉื ืืช ื-40 ืืขืืื ืืืืคืฉื ืืชืขืฉืช, ืืื ืืื ืขืฉื ืืืช ืืืจื ืฉืืืชื ื ืืืกืื ืืืจ ืคืงื. ืื ื ืืฉืืื ืข ืฉืื ืืคืขื ืืขืืื ืืชืขืฉืช ืืืชืืืจ, ืืื ืขืืื ื ืืืืื ืฉืืื ืื ืืขืฉื ืืืช ืืืจื ืฉืืืชื ื ืฉืื ืชืคืงืื ืืจืืืื. ืขื ืื ืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืช ืืจืืชืืช ืขื ืืืจืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืช ืขื ืืืจืืชืืช ืืืื. ืขืืื ื ืืื ืืช ืืืจ ืขืืฉืื ืืช ืืื ืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืืืฆืจ ืืช ืงืืืื ื ืืืืืื. ืขืืื ื ืืืืืช ืขืจืืืื ืืืคืฉืจืืช ืฉื ืืืืฅ ืืืื ืขื ืขืฆืื ื ืืืืืืช ืขืฆืื ื".
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